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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by krustytheclown
If a giant flood did occur, then one would expect "clumps" of fossils. But we do not find that.
I could be mistaken, but dosen't stuff like that dissolve in saltwater? Wouldnt scavenger fish eat bones and flesh? Could that explain why we haven't found many fossils clumped together?

Besides, the ocean floor has not really been explorer. 70% of the earths surface is covered in water, and scientists are constantly finding new species. Maybe scientist just havent found them yet. Maybe they are covered in sand and sediment, like dinosaur bones and "pre-humanid" fossils are.

And as to why do men have nipples, disease....

I can't understand why men have nipples. The bible dosen't explain that. Neither does Evolution. From a biblical standpoint, when Adam and Eve sinned, that opened the door for imperfection (disease, sickness, and death). Viruses change, develop into new viruses that can explain different diseases. From wikipedia (God, I love wikipedia)

Most experts believe that HIV probably transferred to humans as a result of direct contact with primates, for instance during hunting or butchery.[131] A more controversial theory known as the OPV AIDS hypothesis suggests that the AIDS epidemic was inadvertently started in the late 1950s in the Belgian Congo by Hilary Koprowski's research into a polio vaccine.Some have even speculated that the AIDS virus entered the human population through Dr. Serge Voronoff's grafting of monkey ******** tissue on to the ********* of men while working in France in the 1920s and 1930s.[137]

These are THEORIES. Obivously, some are more radical ideas than others.
if you bring up "why do men have nipples" the bible doesn't explain it. Don't for one second start talking about "god made everything perfect" as you're excuse for why you believe. You're admitting it isn't perfect now? Nipples in men are near vestigal, even though men can and do lactate. Maybe they could lactate for young if needed a 100,000 years ago, but through random evolution(because if you're not using it, then that doesn't help you one way or another) it went away, who knows? I'm pretty sure lions can heavily lactate still..
I agree. Male nipples are still another example against creationism. If god created everything in a perfect manner, then why is the human "embryo" (sorry…maybe be the wrong word) developing nipples before the babies sex is even decided?
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:18 PM
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the problem with religion is that they assume they have all the answers. Whenever something pops up that is not in their book, they always say "God meant for it to happen this way and even though it may be scientifically impossible, he is god, so he can make it happen".

talk about a BS answer. Thank god (just a cultural expression) someone a long time ago had a brain of their own and thought outside the church and god for just a second. Otherwise, we would all be stuck in clay houses right now.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
I cant explain some of the questions that have been asked. You guys can't explain some stuff about evolution. Yet, you make it seem like me believing in something that I cant fully understand is crazy. You are doing the same thing. Why? Why is it so different?
You just dont get it do you?

Science provides evidence. Faith provides no evidence. Period.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
if you bring up "why do men have nipples" the bible doesn't explain it. Don't for one second start talking about "god made everything perfect" as you're excuse for why you believe. You're admitting it isn't perfect now? Nipples in men are near vestigal, even though men can and do lactate. Maybe they could lactate for young if needed a 100,000 years ago, but through random evolution(because if you're not using it, then that doesn't help you one way or another) it went away, who knows? I'm pretty sure lions can heavily lactate still.
How is me saying the bible dosen't explain why men have nipples saying that I agree that the bible isn't perfect?

What does it matter? Does evolution not explaining why we have them, make evolution not perfect?
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
Resorting to name calling eh? You're mature.

Ever see a monkey? They are pretty hairy. Africa and South America don't get to cold. Just one example. Shouldn't mankind be adapting to holes in the ozone layer? Why do we still get skin cancer? Why havent we evolved our skin into a uv repellant suit?
Human's have evolved our skin quite a bit. Think white skin and black skin is just for fun? It's all about our skin's need to aborb calcium from the sun. White, fair skin is thin and less protected from the sun, because we evolved in climates where there was less sun like europe. If you're in europe, you have much more cloud cover and you're not sitting on the equator where the sun is more intense. Large amounts of melanin in skin, aka black skin, allows less absorbtion of calcium than white skin. Our bodies have adapted to taking in the correct amount of calcium, regardless of where they are from.

Have you noticed how people who live outside in the climates of more sunlight, which just so happens to be hotter as well, have less hair too? native americans, africans, etc... but people who evolved from a race in colder climates(like higher elevations) have more hair?

The human race would evolve faster to the sun, if we allowed for natural selection, but we don't we hide in our houses and produce babies regardless of whether we are the most adapt to our environment. Please tell me you're starting to now understand natural selection.

krusty, have you not read what i've responded to you with? I've answered near every question yuo have about evolution and natural selection.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:35 PM
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Living in houses (shelter) is a way for the human race to adapt to the changing climates and the heat from the sun.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
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if you bring up "why do men have nipples" the bible doesn't explain it. Don't for one second start talking about "god made everything perfect" as you're excuse for why you believe. You're admitting it isn't perfect now? Nipples in men are near vestigal, even though men can and do lactate. Maybe they could lactate for young if needed a 100,000 years ago, but through random evolution(because if you're not using it, then that doesn't help you one way or another) it went away, who knows? I'm pretty sure lions can heavily lactate still.
How is me saying the bible dosen't explain why men have nipples saying that I agree that the bible isn't perfect?

What does it matter? Does evolution not explaining why we have them, make evolution not perfect?
you said life, human life was perfect. not the bible. we both know the bible isn't perfect.

NO evolution is not perfect, it's about adapting to one's environment. If a being was in perfect balance with it's environment, natural selection would not occur. Sure we would still change a bit, like why do we keep getting taller as a race? because the majority of females find taller more attractive. Like how male fiddler crabs with the bigger claws are more likely to mate because females prefer them, because instinctually they find them more likely to survive.
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Then why are more and more men being jacka$$es? Not too many women are attracted to jerks. Yet, more and more of them make themselves known. I am shorter than my father. I guess I didn't pick that gene up. I have not had a problem with relationships because of how tall I am because my personality makes up for it.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:42 PM
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btw, we really should rename this thread "the lion's den"
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
You just dont get it do you?

Science provides evidence. Faith provides no evidence. Period.
Lots of evidence. Like 2 bones here. And then hundreds of miles away, another bone.


You know what, I've changed my mind, you have proven to me without a double that evolution is right! How stupid was I to believe in it. 2 bones a guy found in Africa explains it all! Its so simple, how could I of not seen that? Thank God, that evolution explains everything! I was so stupid to believe in creation!

Asshat.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jsa3mm
Then why are more and more men being jacka$$es? Not too many women are attracted to jerks. Yet, more and more of them make themselves known. I am shorter than my father. I guess I didn't pick that gene up. I have not had a problem with relationships because of how tall I am because my personality makes up for it.
it's weird actually, taller men are more likely to procreate, and shorter women are more likely to procreate. that's what humans on average find more attractive.

Women love jackasses!
Men seem to act like jackasses, like myself, because we are confident. Confidence comes from your perception you are doing things right, usually more right than the average guy, aka "superior" to your fellow man. Confidence also comes from your view you are smarter or better looking or stronger. Women detect confidence, and look to it as the guy knowing what he wants. Women generally look to men to guide them in life(especially those females who have religion and are taught to). Hate to say, most women want to follow and not lead. men are taught to lead, and to endure hardships more.

Men can be stupid, unattractive and weak and still exude confidence, and that confidence will more likely get women. But it's less likely to find guys like that.

That will add some balance, but since tall is a dominant gene and short is recessive, it only slows it down, not forever balancing it.
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
Asshat.
That's not very Christian.

EDIT: Sorry HeathenBrewing I quoted the wrong person at first.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:53 PM
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Then why are more and more men being jacka$$es? Not too many women are attracted to jerks. Yet, more and more of them make themselves known. I am shorter than my father. I guess I didn't pick that gene up. I have not had a problem with relationships because of how tall I am because my personality makes up for it.
it's weird actually, taller men are more likely to procreate, and shorter women are more likely to procreate. that's what humans on average find more attractive.

Women love jackasses!
Men seem to act like jackasses, like myself, because we are confident. Confidence comes from your perception you are doing things right, usually more right than the average guy, aka "superior" to your fellow man. Confidence also comes from your view you are smarter or better looking or stronger. Women detect confidence, and look to it as the guy knowing what he wants. Women generally look to men to guide them in life(especially those females who have religion and are taught to). Hate to say, most women want to follow and not lead. men are taught to lead, and to endure hardships more.

Men can be stupid, unattractive and weak and still exude confidence, and that confidence will more likely get women. But it's less likely to find guys like that.

That will add some balance, but since tall is a dominant gene and short is recessive, it only slows it down, not forever balancing it.
So, personality has nothing to do with it?
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
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You just dont get it do you?

Science provides evidence. Faith provides no evidence. Period.
Lots of evidence. Like 2 bones here. And then hundreds of miles away, another bone.

You know what, I've changed my mind, you have proven to me without a double that evolution is right! How stupid was I to believe in it. 2 bones a guy found in Africa explains it all! Its so simple, how could I of not seen that? Thank God, that evolution explains everything! I was so stupid to believe in creation!

Asshat.
I feel like you're purposely ignoring.
Heard of Kennewick man? ok, here's the thing, from adam (the first man ever created, right?) to jesus is just 76 generations. Homo erectus or an earlier form of man, to jesus, a homo sapien, in just 76 generations means either the bible believes in the fasted known form of evolution anyone has proposed OR ALL non-homo sapien skeletons over 6,000 years ago are fakes.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
Asshat.
That's not very Christian.

EDIT: Sorry HeathenBrewing I quoted the wrong person at first.
Im not perfect. Mankind is not perfect, we were once. But not anymore. I did not mean that mankind was perfect, maybe I worded it wrong. The earth is perfect however. So is the bible, sometimes we dont understand it perfectly. Especially when your an atheist and you look for stuff that supposebly contradicts other scriptures.

Ive said what I can. I had fun. I KNOW God created me. I know he created you. How he did it, I dont understand. Yet, I hope in the future, we will fully understand.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jsa3mm
Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by jsa3mm
Then why are more and more men being jacka$$es? Not too many women are attracted to jerks. Yet, more and more of them make themselves known. I am shorter than my father. I guess I didn't pick that gene up. I have not had a problem with relationships because of how tall I am because my personality makes up for it.
it's weird actually, taller men are more likely to procreate, and shorter women are more likely to procreate. that's what humans on average find more attractive.

Women love jackasses!
Men seem to act like jackasses, like myself, because we are confident. Confidence comes from your perception you are doing things right, usually more right than the average guy, aka "superior" to your fellow man. Confidence also comes from your view you are smarter or better looking or stronger. Women detect confidence, and look to it as the guy knowing what he wants. Women generally look to men to guide them in life(especially those females who have religion and are taught to). Hate to say, most women want to follow and not lead. men are taught to lead, and to endure hardships more.

Men can be stupid, unattractive and weak and still exude confidence, and that confidence will more likely get women. But it's less likely to find guys like that.

That will add some balance, but since tall is a dominant gene and short is recessive, it only slows it down, not forever balancing it.
So, personality has nothing to do with it?
ok, you having no women problems could either be because your personality, like mines, shows confidence, or the women you keep think they're just lucky to have a guy. if you're making women laugh, you have the confidence you are funny. most people have hardly any sense of humor, which shows why everyone loves raymond did so well for so many years. Maybe you're physically what they want. hard to say.
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
Im not perfect. Mankind is not perfect, we were once. But not anymore. I did not mean that mankind was perfect, maybe I worded it wrong. The earth is perfect however.
we have a planet that's rotation is slowing down, which will draw us closer to the sun and will kill all life.
our atmosphere obviously doesn't adapt quick enough for us not to kill it.
oil is near gone, and it'll take only a few hundred million years to get half of that back.
nitrogen in the air ages us faster and helps kill us.
tsunamis
earthquakes
tornados

out world is far from perfect, you don't honestly think it is, right?
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
You just dont get it do you?

Science provides evidence. Faith provides no evidence. Period.
Lots of evidence. Like 2 bones here. And then hundreds of miles away, another bone.


You know what, I've changed my mind, you have proven to me without a double that evolution is right! How stupid was I to believe in it. 2 bones a guy found in Africa explains it all! Its so simple, how could I of not seen that? Thank God, that evolution explains everything! I was so stupid to believe in creation!

Asshat.
Two bones!!?? You have proved your ignorance if you believe that.

Try reading some of my posts instead if ignoring the evidence.

You cannot deny that hundreds of millions of fossils reside in display cases and drawers around the world. Perhaps some would argue that these specimens - huge skeletons of dinosaurs, blocks from ancient shell beds containing hundreds of specimens, delicately preserved fern fronds -- have been manufactured by scientists to confuse the public. This is clearly ludicrous.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
Asshat.
That's not very Christian..
On the contrary, it is quite christian.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
it's weird actually, taller men are more likely to procreate, and shorter women are more likely to procreate. that's what humans on average find more attractive.
How do you know that? What if women and men are just accepting what they can as a mate? Just as you say people did with religion way back in the day. They don't have the means to understand, so they settled with the belief that there was a high power.

Are we evolving or are we adapting to evolution?



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