those sub atomic particles are supposedly coming from another place, be it another diimensionn or another location in the universe, they are not appearing out of nothingness. Unfortunately , the theory that we cannot predict the future or past locations of subatomic particles holds up true. we can only guess for the moment.

 

here is something very important to think about.

If god knows everything in the past, present, and future, why does he create humans who he knows will never believe in him? I mean, thats pretty effed up that hes creating people for the sole purpose of making them suffer in hell since he know they wont change.

and yes you can say he gave humans free will...but then the christian view says we all have a destiny , which kinda contradicts free will. All that said, god knows how we will all end up. So really god is a cruel MF who seems to make people so they can burn in hell. wow, thats the kind of god i really want to pray to.

 

He does it to "test your faith", to make sure you are "true of mind and soul"....you infidel.

Or some such nonsense.

Christian contradictions!?!?!?

You must be joking you heathen!

 

Hence my use of the word 'seemingly'. Nothingness is a relative term.

 

 

Thanks for your insightful contribution.

 

 

why would he test someones faith if he knows what they will do in the end? i mean it all comes down to the fact that he is literally sending people to hell just for his own pleasure...and that they have no choice in the matter.

and yes, christian contradictions. now that is somethinig to have faith in

 

I dunno. i think, for me, I can kind of see this as a sign that there is a greater being.

Why?

We're having a civil, intelligent exchange on this matter. The fact that we can think in and out of the box, and to be able to question life and beliefs is a sign, to me at least, there is a greater being.

I'm not the smartest person out there. Or smart for that matter. I'm also probably not going to change the world. But I think it's cool that a conversation like this can remain civil, without flaming. With me personally being a believer, it's cool to see an exchanging of ideas, and what we think of things. Hopefully, I won't get flamed. If I do, oh well.

Cheers, friends.

 

God gives us free will. If he wanted us to be mindless robots, he would of made us mindless robots. He dosen't want us to serve him because we are "programed" to, he wants us to serve him because we love him. If God designed us to have no choice in our life, than that wouldn't be a very loving thing, wouldn't you agree?

I don't believe that I'm going to Heaven. Why? Because the bible tells me that I won't. (BTW, these quotations are from the New World Translation)

Ps. 37:9, 11, 29: “Evildoers themselves will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth . . . The meek ones themselves will possess the earth, and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.”

Matt. 5:5: “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.”

John 10:16: “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.” (I understand this as saying, that some will go to heaven, of course, but there are also a group of faithful ones who won't go to heaven.)

Rev. 14:1-3: “I saw, and, look! the Lamb [Jesus Christ] standing upon the Mount Zion [in heaven; see Hebrews 12:22-24], and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. . . . And they are singing as if a new song . . . and no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the earth.”

I don't believe in Hell. Why? Because thats not a biblical teaching. Why would God set up hell as a place where evil people go when they die? Wouldn't that mean that God and Satan are working as a team? God tells us he forgives us of our sins, when we repent. Why would he send us to Hell and be punished for sins that he forgave? Scriptual proof in 3....2....1

Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.” (If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain. Sheol was a term for the grave)

Rom. 6:7: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” Again, when we die, our sins are forgiven. Why would God torture us in Hell?

Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts* do perish

Ezek. 18:4: “The soul* that is sinning—it itself will die.” (The soul here is a term for our physical body, we don't have a soul that goes to Heaven or Hell, when we die. We are a Soul)

Job 14:13, Dy: “[Job prayed:] Who will grant me this, that thou mayst protect me in hell,* and hide me till thy wrath pass, and appoint me a time when thou wilt remember me?” (God himself said that Job was “a man blameless and upright, fearing God and turning aside from bad.”—Job 1:8, Why would a man blameless and upright go to a place of fiery tourment?)

I believe that one day Sickness and death will no longer plague mankind as it does today. Rev. 20:13, 14, KJ: “The sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell* delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.” (So the dead will be delivered from hell. Notice also that hell is not the same as the lake of fire but will be cast into the lake of fire.) The lake of fire is a phrase that means eternal destruction, after Death and hell are destroyed, mankind will live forever upon a perfect, paradasic earth.

And this ladies and gentlemen, Is why I won't be going to heaven, and won't be going to Hell. Coincidentily, this is the reason why you won't be going to heaven, and why you won't be going to hell either. Comments?

 

When you die your neurons cease to fire off signals and what not and you don't go anywhere. You just lay in your final resting place unaware of anything that ever was, is or will be. Like when you are knocked out. But the bible makes for a nice bedtime story.

 

Unless anything interesting comes up, I'm done here. I answered your question. Please do not mock my beliefs.

 

I don't understand you saying you will not be going to heaven or hell, at least for a little while.
Do you believe in the book Revelations?

The verses you quote could easily be referring to the "new earth", which we will all be going to.

 

You don't think it's interesting that people believe that there is more to life after your head has been blown off or you've been dismembered from a bomb!? I do.

 

No, because I'm more important than just the life I happen lead, and the afterlife will vindicate me.

 

Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.”

"AS FOR THE DEAD, THEY ARE CONSCIOUS OF NOTHING AT ALL." What do you not understand about that?

Rom. 6:7: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” If we have been acquitted from sin when we die, why would we go to hell?

Of Course I believe in Revelations, its an extremly interesting book of the bible that explains the end of this system of things.

 

as an atheist that's what i believe, once dead we are conscious of nothing. we cease to be, except for our body which slowly withers away..

but good ole' revelations contradicts both of those:

chapter20 verse12: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

so god is judging the dead, right?

 

If you read the scriptures around that, its talking about the book of life. Ive already said that there will be a resurrection (no one except God knows when this will be, it will be after Armaggedon) of the good and bad. When they mention the dead, its talking about the resurrected people who previously died. After the resurrection, God will judge the righteous and the unrighteous.

 

theres a paradox here. If god is perfect, then he knows the outcome of what every human being will ever do. So by him creating someone whom he knows will be evil and bad...and will have to ''judge them for their unrighteousness'', he is just as bad as they are.

if god knows the future (even if from a spectator role), there is absolutely no free will, since he knows what will be done if and when he creates someone. So when he creates bad people, he is ultimately condemning someone. If there truly was free will, then god would be fallible, and im pretty sure that would uncorck existance.

ugh, church peopel believe in things that absolutely contradict themselves into impossibility.

 

what i got out of it, was armageddon happened after the world was over. and the bad sit in hell and the good sit in heaven waiting for this.

after that, we all get the new earth. is that wrong?

whil i am at a loss for finding a direct statement of people being in hell, the disciples and jesus all refer to god/jesus having the power to cast one into hell, and that people are going to hell.

so were do you propose we all sit until armagedon?