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Originally Posted by Duker
What makes you thinnk it will come from another country?
Remeber the anthrax attacks after 9/11. That strain of anthrax came from the good ole usa
Remeber the anthrax attacks after 9/11. That strain of anthrax came from the good ole usa
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Originally Posted by Duker
What makes you thinnk it will come from another country?
Remeber the anthrax attacks after 9/11. That strain of anthrax came from the good ole usa
Remeber the anthrax attacks after 9/11. That strain of anthrax came from the good ole usa
I wish they'd elected McCain. I don't think we'd have the issues we do. He sure as hell wouldn't have sat around reading "My Pet Goat".
He may have also kept Colin Powell on hand, since he was the only real military leader/mind the Bush administration had on their "team".
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Originally Posted by Duker
What makes you thinnk it will come from another country?
Remeber the anthrax attacks after 9/11. That strain of anthrax came from the good ole usa
Remeber the anthrax attacks after 9/11. That strain of anthrax came from the good ole usa
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cases_of_anthraxWikipedeia Report
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The anthrax
The letters contained at least two grades of anthrax material; the coarse brown material sent in the media letters and the fine powder sent to the two Senators. In addition, it has been suggested the anthrax material sent to the National Enquirer and then forwarded to AMI may have been an intermediate grade similar to the anthrax sent to the Senate.[9] The brown granular anthrax sent to media outlets in New York City caused only skin infections, cutaneous anthrax. The anthrax sent to the Senators caused the more dangerous form of infection known as inhalation anthrax, as did the anthrax sent to AMI in Florida. Although the anthrax preparations were of different grades, all of the material derived from the same bacterial strain. Known as the Ames strain, it was first researched at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), Fort Detrick, Maryland. The Ames strain was then distributed to at least fifteen bio-research labs within the US and six overseas.
Radiocarbon dating conducted by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in June 2002 established that the anthrax was cultured no more than two years before the mailings.
As far as Iran goes This is what is Going to happen
Israel will bomb their nuke facilities Iran will etaliate, we will be drawn into another war
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The anthrax
The letters contained at least two grades of anthrax material; the coarse brown material sent in the media letters and the fine powder sent to the two Senators. In addition, it has been suggested the anthrax material sent to the National Enquirer and then forwarded to AMI may have been an intermediate grade similar to the anthrax sent to the Senate.[9] The brown granular anthrax sent to media outlets in New York City caused only skin infections, cutaneous anthrax. The anthrax sent to the Senators caused the more dangerous form of infection known as inhalation anthrax, as did the anthrax sent to AMI in Florida. Although the anthrax preparations were of different grades, all of the material derived from the same bacterial strain. Known as the Ames strain, it was first researched at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), Fort Detrick, Maryland. The Ames strain was then distributed to at least fifteen bio-research labs within the US and six overseas.
Radiocarbon dating conducted by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in June 2002 established that the anthrax was cultured no more than two years before the mailings.
As far as Iran goes This is what is Going to happen
Israel will bomb their nuke facilities Iran will etaliate, we will be drawn into another war
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It is plain to see that not many of yall studied economics..That is fine..this is not the place to start a remedial class on Money 101.
The Prez. has done many things I don't understand, but I am smart enuff to know that he has advisors out the ying yang and NO president can do a single thing without it being scrutinized....
The Prez. has done many things I don't understand, but I am smart enuff to know that he has advisors out the ying yang and NO president can do a single thing without it being scrutinized....
The problem comes when the "Yin", as it were, is an idiot who hopes all the "Yangs" are making appropriate policy moves while he goes on another vacation. The "Yin" goes along with the "Yangs" who are making some dangerous policy moves.
but just when I thought it was safe to defend him....msn reports the following....
"In a farewell speech in New Delhi, Bush ran into trouble when he praised Pakistan as "a force for freedom and moderation in the Arab world." The White House hastened to correct Bush's reference to Pakistan as an Arab nation, and said he meant to say Muslim." helllooo.
anyway, Dubai Ports is a "Government owned" company. The current government of the UAE will be running our ports. Let's all hope that the UAE government remains our "friends" and no coups occur that allow the foxes to run the henhouse any time soon.
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Originally Posted by Gonzo_xb
better yet.... make it look like it came from Iran. Then we can "justify" another war and lay claim to some more oil.
"perceived friendship" rules our posture in that region, not oil. we can get all the oil we need. heck, we're about to let the UAE run our ports.
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Originally Posted by Duker
NY Dirty bomb
Cant use the anthrax ploy they got busted for that already.
SO either a dirty bomb or a small nuke in a cargo container.
Think Dubai port deal
Cant use the anthrax ploy they got busted for that already.
SO either a dirty bomb or a small nuke in a cargo container.
Think Dubai port deal
something like a sporting arena is a example of a hard target that can be hit with very little effort, but with shocking results. Those killed would be stuck in the venue, most likley on TV.......honestly i hope that never happens, but Im suprised it hasnt.
venting sarin or other nerve agents into an arena on live TV would have the same effect as watching the twin towers fall.
another high value target that is not protected is schools. dirty bombs are too predictable.....
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casualties arent as important as FEAR. Fear is how you get the patriot act and senators to go along with a war. Fear is how you cow the populace and bend them to your will. Dissenters will be labeled as unpatriotic.
Ever heard of dual use facilities?
KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space,
Ever heard of dual use facilities?
KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space,
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The people of America have to realize that the REAL enemies of America are the ones we elected to office. They're selling us out to foreign interests and undermining everything our forefathers created. These foreign interests know they could never stand up to the military might of the United States of America, so they are attacking us on another front. They're buying us out, plain and simple. And Bush and those in D.C. are doing nothing but facilitate it.
How's that for a radical statement? Probably not too far from the truth, sadly.
How's that for a radical statement? Probably not too far from the truth, sadly.
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Originally Posted by surfcity40
Originally Posted by Gonzo_xb
better yet.... make it look like it came from Iran. Then we can "justify" another war and lay claim to some more oil.
"perceived friendship" rules our posture in that region, not oil. we can get all the oil we need. heck, we're about to let the UAE run our ports.
A quick edit to my post.... one of the reasons oil is so expensive currently is because there is money to be made as a direct result of the war. Exxon recently set a record with it's profits. $10 Billion profit in a single quarter!!! That is obscene. With that kind of money at stake, there is a very high interest in oil, I garauntee it.
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you dont think my senario instills fear? once you remove the ellement of saftey at a "family" event it will instill plenty of fear.......
I think the patriot act creates fear among normal people because the fact they are loosing an element of security with thier personal lives. When I worked for the US treasury department at a IRS branch office as a invesitgator it was amazing how the smallest thing would freak out the employees, someone sprinkled suger on a cart of mail, immediatly the division was shut down and HAZMAT was brought in to test the entire area. people in that division even knowing that it was found to be powdered sugar either stayed home from work or quit.
One objective of terrorism is to instill fear in all levels of life, be it manipultate the status quo. which they have been very successfull at.
but I can see where you are comming from.
as for this statment "The people of America have to realize that the REAL enemies of America are the ones we elected to office. They're selling us out to foreign interests and undermining everything our forefathers created. These foreign interests know they could never stand up to the military might of the United States of America, so they are attacking us on another front. They're buying us out, plain and simple. And Bush and those in D.C. are doing nothing but facilitate it. "
i agree 100%. its sad when policy and people are bought and sold in back room deals without any sense of reality. Im not knocking Bush, but he does not have the most credibility when it comes to his choice in cabinet positons. Bush as with most presidents dont always think up the ideas, they are lobbied by others, or people in his circle to make decsions.
its nice to see a thread that has not degenerated into the abyss of name calling and immaturity. I think this is an important issue and should be talked about.
I think the patriot act creates fear among normal people because the fact they are loosing an element of security with thier personal lives. When I worked for the US treasury department at a IRS branch office as a invesitgator it was amazing how the smallest thing would freak out the employees, someone sprinkled suger on a cart of mail, immediatly the division was shut down and HAZMAT was brought in to test the entire area. people in that division even knowing that it was found to be powdered sugar either stayed home from work or quit.
One objective of terrorism is to instill fear in all levels of life, be it manipultate the status quo. which they have been very successfull at.
but I can see where you are comming from.
as for this statment "The people of America have to realize that the REAL enemies of America are the ones we elected to office. They're selling us out to foreign interests and undermining everything our forefathers created. These foreign interests know they could never stand up to the military might of the United States of America, so they are attacking us on another front. They're buying us out, plain and simple. And Bush and those in D.C. are doing nothing but facilitate it. "
i agree 100%. its sad when policy and people are bought and sold in back room deals without any sense of reality. Im not knocking Bush, but he does not have the most credibility when it comes to his choice in cabinet positons. Bush as with most presidents dont always think up the ideas, they are lobbied by others, or people in his circle to make decsions.
its nice to see a thread that has not degenerated into the abyss of name calling and immaturity. I think this is an important issue and should be talked about.
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Um... excuse me what part of your post was radical?
I think it instills rage more than fear. There are only so many "Black Sunday" scenarios you can do. It is hard logistically
And by the way. this conversation a year ago would of degenerated into name calling and immaturity. I think the ideologs on both sides are starting to see the light. 3 Years ago I was shouted down for my views. Now people are finally seeing the truth
If you looked at the events leading up to the war with Iraq even going back to the first gulf war youwould see a hell of a lot of lies and deceit.
Look up Hill and Knowlton do a google search. Did you really think rape rooms and wood chippers for prisoners existed. The only thing we found was a cell with a light bulb in it. No doubt saddam tortured and killed people, dictators do that to remain in power. The difference is the hypocrisy of this admin.
Torture ok for pakistan and saudi arabia
not ok for iraq
Supporting terrorism Ok for pakistan
not ok for iraq
As far as pakistan goes. The taliban was funded and used my the paki secret service.
And if osama is alive what country do you think is hosting him?
How's that for a radical statement? Probably not too far from the truth, sadly
Um... excuse me what part of your post was radical?
you dont think my senario instills fear? once you remove the ellement of saftey at a "family" event it will instill plenty of fear.......
And by the way. this conversation a year ago would of degenerated into name calling and immaturity. I think the ideologs on both sides are starting to see the light. 3 Years ago I was shouted down for my views. Now people are finally seeing the truth
If you looked at the events leading up to the war with Iraq even going back to the first gulf war youwould see a hell of a lot of lies and deceit.
Look up Hill and Knowlton do a google search. Did you really think rape rooms and wood chippers for prisoners existed. The only thing we found was a cell with a light bulb in it. No doubt saddam tortured and killed people, dictators do that to remain in power. The difference is the hypocrisy of this admin.
Torture ok for pakistan and saudi arabia
not ok for iraq
Supporting terrorism Ok for pakistan
not ok for iraq
As far as pakistan goes. The taliban was funded and used my the paki secret service.
And if osama is alive what country do you think is hosting him?
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Bsp scion said:
Um... excuse me what part of your post was radical?
And by the way. this conversation a year ago would of degenerated into name calling and immaturity. I think the ideologs on both sides are starting to see the light. 3 Years ago I was shouted down for my views. Now people are finally seeing the truth
If you looked at the events leading up to the war with Iraq even going back to the first gulf war youwould see a hell of a lot of lies and deceit.
How's that for a radical statement? Probably not too far from the truth, sadly
And by the way. this conversation a year ago would of degenerated into name calling and immaturity. I think the ideologs on both sides are starting to see the light. 3 Years ago I was shouted down for my views. Now people are finally seeing the truth
If you looked at the events leading up to the war with Iraq even going back to the first gulf war youwould see a hell of a lot of lies and deceit.
It is good to see dialogue again. I remember all the trash talking that was going on last year around the election. I agree with you that, if they aren't seeing "the light" people are at least realizing something isn't working right.
And, for a dash of comedy:
In a farewell speech in New Delhi, Bush ran into trouble when he praised Pakistan as "a force for freedom and moderation in the Arab world." The White House hastened to correct Bush's reference to Pakistan as an Arab nation and said he meant to say Muslim.
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Teacher is placed on leave for Hitler reference to Bush
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Mar. 4, 2006 12:00 AM
DENVER - It was the day after President Bush's State of the Union address, and social-studies teacher Jay Bennish was warning his world geography class not to be taken in.
"Sounds a lot like the things that Adolf Hitler used to say," Bennish told students at the suburban high school. "We're the only ones who are right, everyone else is backward, and our job is to conquer the world."
The teacher quickly made clear that he wasn't equating the president with Hitler, but the damage was done. A sophomore in the class had recorded the lecture on an MP3 player and this week turned it over to a local conservative radio show.
Bennish, a five-year veteran of Overland High School, was placed on unpaid leave by the Cherry Creek School District on Wednesday, sparking an uproar over issues of free speech and proper classroom behavior.
About 150 Overland students walked out Thursday to protest Bennish's absence, and the teacher's lawyer, who met with district officials Friday, has threatened a federal lawsuit. Attorney David Lane argued on the Mike Roem radio show, which originally played the tape, that what his client said is not so outlandish and was intended to provoke his students into thinking about current events.
"Maybe it's not mainstream, middle-American opinion," Lane said Friday morning. "But the rest of the world agrees with him."
Lane added that if Bennish had spoken strongly in support of Bush, he would not be under investigation.
Tustin Amole, a spokeswoman for the school district, said officials were investigating whether Bennish had violated a policy that says teachers cannot intimidate students who hold political beliefs different from their own.
"Teachers do have a First Amendment right to express their opinion," Amole said, "but it must be in the context of the material being taught, and it must provide a balanced point of view."
The Cherry Creek district, with 47,000 students, encompasses an arc of suburbs to the southeast of Denver; voter registration within its boundaries leans Republican.
A partial transcript of Bennish's class taken from the student's recording showed the teacher voicing a range of criticisms of U.S. policy and the Iraq war. He has not disputed the accuracy of the recording.
Nicholas Riccardi
Los Angeles Times
Mar. 4, 2006 12:00 AM
DENVER - It was the day after President Bush's State of the Union address, and social-studies teacher Jay Bennish was warning his world geography class not to be taken in.
"Sounds a lot like the things that Adolf Hitler used to say," Bennish told students at the suburban high school. "We're the only ones who are right, everyone else is backward, and our job is to conquer the world."
The teacher quickly made clear that he wasn't equating the president with Hitler, but the damage was done. A sophomore in the class had recorded the lecture on an MP3 player and this week turned it over to a local conservative radio show.
Bennish, a five-year veteran of Overland High School, was placed on unpaid leave by the Cherry Creek School District on Wednesday, sparking an uproar over issues of free speech and proper classroom behavior.
About 150 Overland students walked out Thursday to protest Bennish's absence, and the teacher's lawyer, who met with district officials Friday, has threatened a federal lawsuit. Attorney David Lane argued on the Mike Roem radio show, which originally played the tape, that what his client said is not so outlandish and was intended to provoke his students into thinking about current events.
"Maybe it's not mainstream, middle-American opinion," Lane said Friday morning. "But the rest of the world agrees with him."
Lane added that if Bennish had spoken strongly in support of Bush, he would not be under investigation.
Tustin Amole, a spokeswoman for the school district, said officials were investigating whether Bennish had violated a policy that says teachers cannot intimidate students who hold political beliefs different from their own.
"Teachers do have a First Amendment right to express their opinion," Amole said, "but it must be in the context of the material being taught, and it must provide a balanced point of view."
The Cherry Creek district, with 47,000 students, encompasses an arc of suburbs to the southeast of Denver; voter registration within its boundaries leans Republican.
A partial transcript of Bennish's class taken from the student's recording showed the teacher voicing a range of criticisms of U.S. policy and the Iraq war. He has not disputed the accuracy of the recording.
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"And by the way. this conversation a year ago would of degenerated into name calling and immaturity. I think the ideologs on both sides are starting to see the light. 3 Years ago I was shouted down for my views. Now people are finally seeing the truth
If you looked at the events leading up to the war with Iraq even going back to the first gulf war youwould see a hell of a lot of lies and deceit"
nither side is ever right its perception........
I agree, i think people, even some hardcore supporters of the current administration are starting to step back and see the facts, and the current situation as not being black and white anymore.
look at that confidential tape that was realsed this week regarding katrina and the governor and the president digging themselves holes.....
Bush needs to back off issues that are not domestic and begin to rebuild our country.......
look at inferstructure, disater prepardness, schools and our quality of living in general needs to be looked at.
If you looked at the events leading up to the war with Iraq even going back to the first gulf war youwould see a hell of a lot of lies and deceit"
nither side is ever right its perception........
I agree, i think people, even some hardcore supporters of the current administration are starting to step back and see the facts, and the current situation as not being black and white anymore.
look at that confidential tape that was realsed this week regarding katrina and the governor and the president digging themselves holes.....
Bush needs to back off issues that are not domestic and begin to rebuild our country.......
look at inferstructure, disater prepardness, schools and our quality of living in general needs to be looked at.
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Maybe it's a sign of the times. Like a year ago when there would have been more emotional outbursts but, now, it is what it is?
I thought the Hitler thing might spark something. Not a comparison of Bush to Adolph, that would be wrong. Just their political tactics, as the school teacher pointed out.
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I remember, during the campaigns, all the Bush supporters that had their sound-bites down well. Ask them a question and their answer was usually to the tune of "you just don't get it, do ya". Nothing substantive to say then and roaring silence now.
I hope, as the death toll climbs in the Middle-East and the deficit spirals upward, that they realize that by allowing themselves to be led into voting and support this BS administration and Congress, they really hurt America at home and abroad. I hope that they realize this and are willing to do whatever it takes to turn things around and help the healing begin.
Every Republican administration after Eisenhower has ended with either HUGE deficits or HUGE scandal. Some with both.
When will we learn?
I hope, as the death toll climbs in the Middle-East and the deficit spirals upward, that they realize that by allowing themselves to be led into voting and support this BS administration and Congress, they really hurt America at home and abroad. I hope that they realize this and are willing to do whatever it takes to turn things around and help the healing begin.
Every Republican administration after Eisenhower has ended with either HUGE deficits or HUGE scandal. Some with both.
When will we learn?