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Old Dec 9, 2007 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by trentonm
if you would like to consider child soldiers, genocide, or child labor something that shouldnt be the worlds problem, then lets just have another world war again.
They can kill each other for all I care.

Since that is exactly what would happen. What about the aids epidemic in Africa or the Caribbean,
I don't care. If they're stupid enough to nail an ape in the ****, let them suffer the consequences. We can wipe out aids if we isolate the ones infected and let them die off. No more aids infected people... no more aids.

a problem the world over and not helping in that situation would create a problem on our turf.
It won't be a problem if you seal the borders. Put our military on our borders and use those who cross over as target practice. I had to go through a physical examination, just like the early immigrants did from Europe and Asia so I don't see fence hoppers from the south as an exception.

And yes social workers that focus on poverty are forced to focus on these topics on an international basis.
Good for you. Why don't you join the Peace Corps since you have the need to help the poor. You can do more for them by using the same hole in the ground they use as a toilet, the same drinking water they drink from the same hole that elephants relieve themselves in and you can sleep next to them and get stung by the same bugs and mosquito that stings them.

To operationalize aid in this concept would be to educate the ones that are on the verge of poverty. NOT a monetary value.
I'm glad we agree. So the next pregnant pig that comes up to you for money, you won't give money, except you'll give her a pack of condoms?

Recession and Depression everyone is held accountable for that problem.
Nope, maybe you can try "majority" are accountable. Not every single one.

Oh and another thing isnt this discussion about what social workers that focus on the poor do if their is no poor. If you have more children than you can afford thats poverty!
So you're just supporting poverty by giving them handouts. A way to fight baby popping machines is to give them the card to the nearest abortion clinic or offer them birth control. When you give them a check for popping out babies, what you're doing is telling them, "Way to go! Here's some money!"

there are people just like that here in America, that CANT get those positions here but have the education and training. Go look it up, not saying that there isnt a larger number of impoverished immigrants that not, but there are more than one would expect.
Exactly, take care of our own people BEFORE we take care of other peasants who break into our country.

Also what does it say at the feet of the Statue of Liberty?
She needs updating. She needs to be moved to the Mexican border and her torch should be replaced with a sign that says "Go Home!"

Oh and another thing, these so called unskilled, non-english speaking immigrants keep our freakin country running! Get rid of them and you will not be able to function and that can easily be a proven fact!
Prove it. Just to let you know, last year when the illegal aliens rallied, nobody gave a rat's ****. In fact the freeways were flowing freely during what would have been a "rush hour".

Illegals use a lot of our tax payer PAID programs that do NOT belong to them. Illegals uses our hospitals, schools, roads... they do NOT pay for them, tax payers do, they do NOT pay taxes.

Don't even start the BS that they take jobs American don't want. Of course Americans don't want a job that pays $4/hr to pick lettuce and live in a rat hole.

By supporting the hiring of illegals, you're supporting the rich bastards who DENY Americans job by making huge profits by hiring underpaid illegals. Wake the hell up.


this common sense only works if you actually have money to buy anything! If you have nothing what, you should just wilt and die?
Yes.

The people who go into debt don't do so because they're starving. Most people who go bankrupt do so because they buy things that they can live without.

I thought we were an industrialized country and not a 3rd world one. But that doesnt mean someone could not be forced into poverty, which education on financial literacy and job search would go beyond this common sense.
People in 3rd world countries do fine without a welfare office next door. In fact, most of the "poor" people in the U.S. are obese whales. Trust me, they won't starve to death.

if you think prevention is crap, then stop changing the oil in your car. Let it fall apart. Aid can come in many different forms than just money, this isnt all about handing out paychecks.
My car gives me something in return. When I put gas and regularly maintain my car, it gives me back service. It drives me around, hauls stuff for me and when I'm done with it, I can sell it and get some more in return.

What will the welfare moocher do for me?

That unemployed person, how bad would it be for a social worker to discuss with them ways to increase their financial literacy and job hunting skills to prevent that very paycheck you despise.
Even animals know that they must work to survive. A lion will walk miles to find food and so should the fat pig sitting around in the ghetto.

My program works! Its a proven fact, just got done finished a grant research analysis on it and according to statistics it works.
Show us the statistics. Show us how many people enrolled in your program year after year. If more and more people are requesting assistance, then it is a FAILURE.

These so called poor choices are at times uncontrollable, one of my clients didnt divorce her husband, didnt ask for a degenerative foot disorder, ADHD, dyslexia, diabetes and depression.
Not my problem. Majority of diabetes is the result of being obese. Maybe if she walked around her coffee table, she might not have been depressed.

So are you done and ready to think outside of the box and beyond just handing out checks that social programs are starting to head towards? Just like the change from AFDC to TANF, we are heading more towards a non-check, non-welfare check social welfare.
Obviously you're pimping the poor so your own checks keep rolling in. The welfare system is one of the biggest business in the U.S. Unfortunately, most people are too stupid not to see that.
Old Dec 9, 2007 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by trentonm
two more things:
What would a car mechanic do if there were no more cars?
Go out of business, just like you would if there were no poor people around.
Old Dec 9, 2007 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by trentonm
two more things:
What would a car mechanic do if there were no more cars?
Go out of business, just like you would if there were no poor people around.
HAHAHA man you just made yourself look ignorant. Before you actually had some legit statements, now that you have no foot to stand on, all you can say is fat pigs and throw out random claims.

As for my program, yes we help more and more people each year, AND statistically more and more graduate each year. We are growing and pulling in more impoverished people from around the entire area, some are traveling nearly 60 miles just to come here. So of course we do serve more and more people since we are willing to open up more computers for them. If one program aids more people by expanding each year, with a list four pages long of clients that have passed out intake assessment (much have some computer knowledge, and the willing to learn and grow). If you forgot, we were only able to work with 40 or so people this past fiscal year, DO YOU REALLY THINK THERE ARE ONLY 40 PEOPLE WHO ARE IN POVERTY EACH YEAR?

Also did I ever once say handing out paychecks is the good way to help the disadvantaged? ____ NO! Worse idea ever, give them a check and it lasts a month, give them education and training and it lasts a lifetime. READ MY POSTS! You may have realized that. Give them a hand up and not a hand out! I think thats my second time saying that.

Wait, we are talking about employees right? So if a car mechanic has no more cars to work on where do you think they would head? The employee... not the company.

Maybe because of their history working with engines, bodies, etc Maybe they would be a great asset to other mechanical fields (planes, boats, etc).

This has been proven over and over with every lil thing you discuss on this forum, read posts before you go spitting bs out of your mouth. Know what you are trying to bash before you go spitting your mouth, I bet you dont even know what the AFDC did and why it was so incredibly horrid. Or maybe why TANF has made some improvements on the area (although still far from perfect, also the second time I have made a statement about how I dislike the TANF).

We close down, and we will be hated even more. As Americans we should stick our nose in certain areas (such as Darfur, which should have happened years ago!). If you want all this to happen to everyone, good luck traveling. I just suggest never travel in your entire life! Maybe your hatred towards these programs is because you were to idiotic to use them when you first moved to this country. Something must have made you want to come here...

The funny thing is, going into social work law, or clinical counseling and rehab for children.... I will never run out of clients, or things to do.


OK so here is a BOX.... and now I want you to take a few steps away and try thinking over there... it could improve something.


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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 01:16 AM
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We are growing and pulling in more impoverished people
Which means that poverty is INCREASING.

That's the one and only PROOF I need that you and your cause have FAILED.


Maybe your hatred towards these programs is because you were to idiotic to use them when you first moved to this country.
You mean I'm angry because I decided not to be a moocher?

Something must have made you want to come here...
It wasn't to drop a load and it becomes an American citizen and I'm now anchored to the country.

We close down, and we will be hated even more.
Going by your logic, since we're now sticking our nose everywhere... we should be loved?

It doesn't surprise me that you're a social worker. Usually people who can't make it thru difficult courses in college settle for "Social Sciences". Majority of "Social Sciences" majors have an overall GPA in the 2s.
Old Dec 10, 2007 | 01:30 AM
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I really HATE people getting welfare.......
Last I saw a family using food stamp was driving a Benz S500....WTF????
seriously I pay about 30% of taxes from my pay check every week..
Old Dec 10, 2007 | 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by cwayne
We are growing and pulling in more impoverished people
Which means that poverty is INCREASING.

That's the one and only PROOF I need that you and your cause have FAILED.

is the population increasing overall? or just poverty? Because we have the ability to grow and take in the ones that are already in poverty means we failed? Shouldnt success in diminishing poverty in Tacoma mean we did not fail and will not fail?

Come on, this so called low GPA guy with no chance in any other major, even knows statistics at its very basic level.


Maybe your hatred towards these programs is because you were to idiotic to use them when you first moved to this country.
You mean I'm angry because I decided not to be a moocher?

[b] I am just assuming that you dislike it because you were poor when you got here, got an education and got out of it. Something that I myself promote for helping poverty.

Something must have made you want to come here...
It wasn't to drop a load and it becomes an American citizen and I'm now anchored to the country.

so then what was your reason for coming here? Simple question, please answer.

We close down, and we will be hated even more.
Going by your logic, since we're now sticking our nose everywhere... we should be loved?

No we shouldnt stick our noses everywhere, Iraq and Iran are prime examples.

It doesn't surprise me that you're a social worker. Usually people who can't make it thru difficult courses in college settle for "Social Sciences". Majority of "Social Sciences" majors have an overall GPA in the 2s.
Overall gpa in the 2's? If that is true how was I able to get into a private university? Or even better yet, why I have I been on the deans list since frosh year? A 3.7 is hardly anywhere near 2's. I also wouldnt be able to graduate from my program or be recruited by graduate programs across the NW. Every graduate school interview I have lined up is all expenses paid, which includes schools in Cali as well as OR and WA.

I dont like food stamps, or anything near that like anyone else in the nation. There are better ways to do it and danny I completely agree with you man, but it would be more frustration than hate (its the whole social thing in me i guess).
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Originally Posted by dannygenio
I really HATE people getting welfare.......
Last I saw a family using food stamp was driving a Benz S500....WTF????
seriously I pay about 30% of taxes from my pay check every week..
Between my wife and I, we pay over $1,200 just in salary taxes MONTHLY.

If that money wasn't being stolen from our paychecks and given to moochers, I could be driving a Lancer EVO and she could be rolling in an RX330.

God damn Socialists will suck us dry of our blood.

Next election year, do NOT vote for the cockroach who vows to raise taxes.

Weak dollar + higher taxes = investors runs away.
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