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Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:29 PM
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What if a group of women jumped a man or held a gun to his head. Physical rape of a man can be achieved by women.
Plus, we are talking about women raping 14 - 16 year old boys!
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jsa3mm
What if a group of women jumped a man or held a gun to his head. Physical rape of a man can be achieved by women.
Indeed, it is physically possible, however, we are not talking about rape.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:31 PM
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OK...this is getting interesting. Let's just focus on the physical aspect for a moment. Am I the only one who thinks it would be physically possible for a woman to rape a man? I mean..sure, the guy would probably have to be tied down or something, but I believe it could happen. Guys can be physically excited even when they truely don't want to be.
Now if it's a big ugly chick and she points a gun at me and tells me to "perform", she might as well shoot me because it ain't happening.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:35 PM
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Still not exactly on topic. We are talking about adults doing it with willing kids and the bias the courts have in barely fining female teachers for doing the exact same thing male teachers goto jail for 20 years for, not rape.

Rape being a forced sexual activity on a person, and we're talking about the kids being 100% willing. So, as you can see, not the same thing.
Very good point and you are 100% correct. We got a little sidetracked, but it was interesting to discuss.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by matt_a
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Society dictates that a man cannot be raped by a woman. If I guy is "unwilling", vaginal sex is quite impossible.
Do you believe that? I don't. I think it's quite possible to create a physical reaction even though the person may not "want" to do anything. Especially with Viagra!!
If the woman took something and inserted something into the boys against their will. Then that would probably be viewed different. If she was some old ugly haggard that kidnapped boys, and took them home to a torture chamber, that would be viewed equal to the classic "evil man vs. innocent young woman" rape.

But I imagine, the teacher said "I'd like to talk to you after class", then the boy did, she said something like "wanna do it with me?". Immediate hard-on. and the boy then actively pursued it. Not exactly rape-rape*.

*When me and you hear the phrase "she was raped". We think of clear cut brutality, probably a woman physically restrained(maybe beat up too) in a dark alley and then forced against her will. and maybe left for dead.

But when me or you or a jury hear about something that isn't half as bad as this situation, still being called "rape", it really weakens the term.
I'm not at all saying it's right, and i've debated ppl each and everytime this b.s. happens, but I think it shouldn't be called "rape" if the scenario i put forth is too.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by matt_a
OK...this is getting interesting. Let's just focus on the physical aspect for a moment. Am I the only one who thinks it would be physically possible for a woman to rape a man? I mean..sure, the guy would probably have to be tied down or something, but I believe it could happen.
Going with your example, even if she was simply kinda attractive, most likely it would be "game on". But I dont see it as rape myself.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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I believe it is possible for a woman to rape a man. It is not just a question of will power.

And if a BUC held a gun on me and said "Dance fat boy", you can bet I'd not be trying to balance my checkbook.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:38 PM
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Whenever it's a kid (willing or not) it's called rape because the idea is that they are too young to make the decision.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:40 PM
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And it should be called rape in that situation... the kids are defenseless....Until they reach the age of consent, they should be protected to the fullest extent possible. Because, face it, these kids will be scarred for life.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
Going with your example, even if she was simply kinda attractive, most likely it would be "game on". But I dont see it as rape myself.
That brings up another point. If the woman was attractive, she might be more likely to coax the necessary physical reaction from the man...even though he still does not want to (wants to remain faithful to wife...whatever). But if she's ugly, it's probably not going to happen. Men are visually stimulated.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by matt_a
Whenever it's a kid (willing or not) it's called rape because the idea is that they are too young to make the decision.
well I lost my virginity at 14. my gf at 14 too. I guess we "raped" each other for a good year and a half. Certain kids are more mature about situations like that then others(believe i went to a christian high school for a while, those kids were very socially immature).

Earlier at 14, I almost got with my friend's 21 year old sister. and she was fine too, had her own car, apt. job. just got of beauty school. You may think she was a rapist by those standards, but at 14, I was 6'1" and hung out with kids anywhere from 15-20. She knew I was younger, but soon as she found out i was only a day older than her little brother she didn't. Would she really have been a rapist, if she had?
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
Originally Posted by matt_a
OK...this is getting interesting. Let's just focus on the physical aspect for a moment. Am I the only one who thinks it would be physically possible for a woman to rape a man? I mean..sure, the guy would probably have to be tied down or something, but I believe it could happen.
Going with your example, even if she was simply kinda attractive, most likely it would be "game on". But I dont see it as rape myself.
You're right, but we aren't discussing whether or not it's rape. We are discussing the inequities in the law that slap a female teacher on the wrist for having relations of any kind with a male student vs the Male teachers that get thrown in pound them in the butt prison for dozens of years for pursuing the EXACT same CONSENSUAL relationship with a female student.
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Originally Posted by matt_a
Whenever it's a kid (willing or not) it's called rape because the idea is that they are too young to make the decision.
But what is a "kid"? Here in the States, we say 18.

But in quite a few countries in Europe its 15.

Romeo and Juliet were married when she was, what, 13?

Age should not be the real issue, but maturity.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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Age should not be the real issue, but maturity.
Is there a quantifiable scale, other than age, for 'maturity'?
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by scionofPCFL

You're right, but we aren't discussing whether or not it's rape. We are discussing the inequities in the law that slap a female teacher on the wrist for having relations of any kind with a male student vs the Male teachers that get thrown in pound them in the butt prison for dozens of years for pursuing the EXACT same CONSENSUAL relationship with a female student.
I say that inequality is a way of life. Not saying its right, and Im not saying its wrong. It simply IS. To me, there is no debating that.
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Would she really have been a rapist, if she had?
By the letter of the law..yes.
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by HeathenBrewing
Originally Posted by scionofPCFL

You're right, but we aren't discussing whether or not it's rape. We are discussing the inequities in the law that slap a female teacher on the wrist for having relations of any kind with a male student vs the Male teachers that get thrown in pound them in the butt prison for dozens of years for pursuing the EXACT same CONSENSUAL relationship with a female student.
I say that inequality is a way of life. Not saying its right, and Im not saying its wrong. It simply IS. To me, there is no debating that.
So we should accept it and move on? Back of the bus, seperate but equal, white only lunch counters? What if we had just accepted that?
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No, that is why we average out an age.... the child should be able to comprehend this action at this age......
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by scionofPCFL
Age should not be the real issue, but maturity.
Is there a quantifiable scale, other than age, for 'maturity'?
Without laws, there would be no need for a scale.

Now dont jump on me all at once. Situations are always different. But if a 17 year and an 18 year old got together and had consensual sex, is there really a crime?
Old Mar 1, 2007 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by scionofPCFL

So we should accept it and move on? Back of the bus, seperate but equal, white only lunch counters? What if we had just accepted that?
Again, I am not taking sides. I am just presenting the facts. If its a fight you want to take up, more power to you.



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