I'm just here to complain about the election...
Originally Posted by jsa3mm
Originally Posted by dibbz
Originally Posted by scandalous
I have a renewed faith in the USA!
I don't get how people can say that the past 8 years have been horrible! I don't think we should've ever gotten in the war we are in, but you know what...we are in it! The men and women who signed up for the military knew what signed up for and what they were getting into. They didn't have to go to war if they didn't want to. They'd just have to deal with the consequences to their actions. I am sorry that they died, but happy they gave their lives to protect every Americans' freedoms. The first 6 years weren't bad in my opinion...it's only been the past two that haven't been any good. President Bush isn't the smartest man to ever run this country, but part of the reason he didn't get things done in the last 2 years is because he didn't have enough people backing him in Congress. The President has a very important role in government, but he (imho) is not the supreme power! The power is of the people! We hold the power. Ever thought it may have been all of US who decided to close our eyes and put on cruise control throughtout it all?
As to the folks who volunteered for military service, it is a two-way
street. Those folks promise to faithfully protect the Constitution and
the Country, but in turn deserve to be treated honestly.
They volunteered with the understanding that thy might have to give
their lives to accomplish that protection, but they did not volunteer to
give their lives for any other reason.
By being asked to give their lives for a lie, to support what may
indeed be a personal vendetta by officials out of control or at least
not using due diligence, their lives have been given for something
that was NOT part of the honest contract they made.
I, too, volunteered for military service (many years ago), I put MY life
between my country, my family, and war's desolation. I was lied to, also.
See, I actually believed that the leaders of my government were
telling me the truth when they said that I needed to do something for
the country. I was naive.
I woke up one day as I was analyzing Bomb Strike Damage
Assessment images in my little shop in the Central Highlands of
Vietnam.
In the background our tiny black and white TV was tuned to the only
TV station, AFRTS, Saigon, and on it President Nixon was saying very
solemnly that we were not involved in any military actions of any kind
in Laos or Cambodia, never had been and wouldn't be.
The images I was analyzing were from that day's strikes in those
countries.
We had been running those for weeks, pounding specific targets
'out-country.'
My president was lying, and the proof of that lie was in my hands as
he spoke.
I lost my innocence that day. Some of the boys who worked for me
there lost more than their innocence.
The same sort of things are happening to today's volunteers - they
volunteered to serve their country, to protect it and it's Constitution.
Instead they are being mis-used for some other goal and losing their
lives.
My brothers-in-arms did not volunteer to give their lives for any
random thing, they volunteered for something specific. Read the oath.
If you have sworn that oath and put your life on the line I'll listen if
you think I'm wrong.
Sorry to get a little off topic here, but honor required a response.
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United
States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to
regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me
God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording
first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
street. Those folks promise to faithfully protect the Constitution and
the Country, but in turn deserve to be treated honestly.
They volunteered with the understanding that thy might have to give
their lives to accomplish that protection, but they did not volunteer to
give their lives for any other reason.
By being asked to give their lives for a lie, to support what may
indeed be a personal vendetta by officials out of control or at least
not using due diligence, their lives have been given for something
that was NOT part of the honest contract they made.
I, too, volunteered for military service (many years ago), I put MY life
between my country, my family, and war's desolation. I was lied to, also.
See, I actually believed that the leaders of my government were
telling me the truth when they said that I needed to do something for
the country. I was naive.
I woke up one day as I was analyzing Bomb Strike Damage
Assessment images in my little shop in the Central Highlands of
Vietnam.
In the background our tiny black and white TV was tuned to the only
TV station, AFRTS, Saigon, and on it President Nixon was saying very
solemnly that we were not involved in any military actions of any kind
in Laos or Cambodia, never had been and wouldn't be.
The images I was analyzing were from that day's strikes in those
countries.
We had been running those for weeks, pounding specific targets
'out-country.'
My president was lying, and the proof of that lie was in my hands as
he spoke.
I lost my innocence that day. Some of the boys who worked for me
there lost more than their innocence.
The same sort of things are happening to today's volunteers - they
volunteered to serve their country, to protect it and it's Constitution.
Instead they are being mis-used for some other goal and losing their
lives.
My brothers-in-arms did not volunteer to give their lives for any
random thing, they volunteered for something specific. Read the oath.
If you have sworn that oath and put your life on the line I'll listen if
you think I'm wrong.
Sorry to get a little off topic here, but honor required a response.
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United
States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to
regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me
God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording
first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
Originally Posted by jsa3mm
Originally Posted by CDogbert
exchange rates to most countries would make me too poor to live there.
Thank you for your comment, Tomas. I have not sworn that oath. I thank, appreciate, and owe my life to all that have. I apologize if I offended you.
TheWhiteChicken009, I wasn't saying it was some place you wanted to live. I just said the exchange rate was really good.
TheWhiteChicken009, I wasn't saying it was some place you wanted to live. I just said the exchange rate was really good.
Originally Posted by AvonLadyJenn
Just an observation....I have seen many blogs and message boards after the elections this time and previous years. It really does come across to me that those that voted Republican this year are really upset and slamming others for voting for Obama. It really seems like they are acting like sore losers....I believe that if McCain won sure *I* would be upset, but I don't go around slamming others for having their OWN political beliefs. We are all different...we have different reasons for voting for who we did.
Why does it seem everything with some Republicans who go around boards slamming people that everything has to be gloom and doom? Geesh it just might be that Obama does pull this country out of the mess Bush made of it the past several years....but Republicans refuse to see that.
McCains speech was wonderful....if whoever wrote that speech ran the rest of his campaign he might have had a better chance.
He lost....get over it. Seriously this is getting rediculous!
Why does it seem everything with some Republicans who go around boards slamming people that everything has to be gloom and doom? Geesh it just might be that Obama does pull this country out of the mess Bush made of it the past several years....but Republicans refuse to see that.
McCains speech was wonderful....if whoever wrote that speech ran the rest of his campaign he might have had a better chance.
He lost....get over it. Seriously this is getting rediculous!
just sayin.
Here is what I posted earlier, but without the military reference:
The first 6 years weren't bad in my opinion...it's only been the past two that haven't been any good. President Bush isn't the smartest man to ever run this country, but part of the reason he didn't get things done in the last 2 years is because he didn't have enough people backing him in Congress. The President has a very important role in government, but he (imho) is not the supreme power! The power is of the people! We hold the power. Ever thought it may have been all of US who decided to close our eyes and put on cruise control throughout it all?
The first 6 years weren't bad in my opinion...it's only been the past two that haven't been any good. President Bush isn't the smartest man to ever run this country, but part of the reason he didn't get things done in the last 2 years is because he didn't have enough people backing him in Congress. The President has a very important role in government, but he (imho) is not the supreme power! The power is of the people! We hold the power. Ever thought it may have been all of US who decided to close our eyes and put on cruise control throughout it all?
And shupes, saying what you did is just fine. 
What we don't need ANY of on ScionLife is attacks on other members for what they think or believe.
There is a big difference between disagreeing and discussing a thought, and attacking the person for HAVING that thought.
Quite honestly, I've voted every chance I've been able to since 1967, and this particular election has had the absolutely worst mannered response from those who did not win.
All we are asking is that disagreement be kept cordial and if you cannot do that, to take it elsewhere.
I don't feel that's too much to ask or too difficult to understand.

What we don't need ANY of on ScionLife is attacks on other members for what they think or believe.
There is a big difference between disagreeing and discussing a thought, and attacking the person for HAVING that thought.
Quite honestly, I've voted every chance I've been able to since 1967, and this particular election has had the absolutely worst mannered response from those who did not win.
All we are asking is that disagreement be kept cordial and if you cannot do that, to take it elsewhere.
I don't feel that's too much to ask or too difficult to understand.
Nobody is "slamming" anyone who disagrees with Obama being elected president, and nobody is "slamming" anyone who wants to actually have a discussion about it.
People are "slamming" the ignorant remarks that some people are just callously putting up without any regard for decency or discussion. The overwhelming majority of things said on the side of people against Obama actually HAVE been either just needless "slams" or ignorant or racist.
If someone wants to have a discussion about how they think Obama isn't going to be a good President, then that's fine, but the "LOL SOCIALISM" comments should stay home.
People are "slamming" the ignorant remarks that some people are just callously putting up without any regard for decency or discussion. The overwhelming majority of things said on the side of people against Obama actually HAVE been either just needless "slams" or ignorant or racist.
If someone wants to have a discussion about how they think Obama isn't going to be a good President, then that's fine, but the "LOL SOCIALISM" comments should stay home.







