(Racism and unfounded derogatory remarks are not welcome here)

So... recently there was a protest in LA that ended with police in riot gear breaking it up in response to protestors throwing various objects (bottles, etc) at police. What is your take on this? Did police go too far? Did they respond in the manner they did because of the color of the protestors skin? Should INS have already been there rounding illegals up? Thoughts?

 

A) Most of the immigration rhetoric is 100% bs

B) Most illegals (like nearly all of them) entered the country legally with legally obtained visas and legally obtained ID, they just stayed after their Visa expired

C) If you throw stuff at the cops in riot gear, expect a reaction, regardless of your skin color or where you hail from

D) Despite nobody here knowing exactly how events transpired and what triggered what, there will, nevertheless, be countless assumptions from both sides on this thread.

 

i don't understand why INS doesn't go after illegals when they say "look over here, we're illegal".

There are hundreds of thousands of illegals that actually do their taxes to get money back. There's an address right there. INS could just drive around to every home depot on monday mornings and fill up ryder trucks with them. lots of stuff we can do, and we don't.
I don't know why all these people south of the border being in a constant state of illegality causes no one to do anything.

I'd like to see hillbilly rednecks start making citizen arrests on illegals.

 

where i live we have a lot of immigrants and most of them drive some 40k vehicle and live in a house with 10 other ppl. they all pay for the house and the car, most of the guys work 2 jobs while the women stay home with the 4-8 kids. when your work has to change what they sell because of the type of shoppers.

 

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B) Most illegals (like nearly all of them) entered the country legally with legally obtained visas and legally obtained ID, they just stayed after their Visa expired[quote]

I doubt that very much. Many more cross the border without visas or otherwise. The business that employ them need to be brought up on charges. No market, no reason to enter.

The ones who enter illegally and then collect benefits are the ones I can't stand. Want benefits? Enter legally. Visa expires and you are out, just like the law says. You can come to America seeking a better life but shouldn't be doing it on my money. Make your own, and that goes for the legal people here sucking welfare and other services dry.

 

I don't know that the majority came here legally... do you have statistics to back that up? Anyone see the interview with bush where he is talking about beefing up border security and a bunch of illegals jump the fence behind him? Go to break.com and do a search for george bush and it will come up. I tend to think that it gives a good indicator of how frequently that must happen.

 

And i'd like to pay 30 dollars for a pound of oranges. I agree with the ins rounding up illegals who cause trouble and dont contribute a cent to our economy. however, banging down doors and deporting illegals who work hard and pay taxes like any other person, that jus makes me want to hit someone. also, some illegals do collect on welfare yes, but so do millions of legal americans and most dont do anything to try and get off it.

 

I heard that last year and had a bit of doubt to it, and then saw it again recently on Penn & Teller's Bull**** show, and if I remember corrctly it was something like 80% I've been poking around Google trying to find a link, but I'm hampered by a restricted work based internet

 

"Americans do it too" is not a valid argument for breaking laws. Americans (unfortunately ) have that right (to collect wellfare).

 

look at the immigration situation in la county if you think illegals are "ok taxpayers".

medical costs
prison
crime
welfare
food stamps

I really don't like how in a place like southern california, illegals think making 30k a year is enough to support 5+ kids and keep your wife at home. it's not, unless you get food stamps, welfare, and get money back on paid taxes, while not paying a penny in medical costs, just passing it on to taxpayers without half a dozen kids.

 

Im all for immigration, if done properly. The socioeconomic benefits are countless. The US really lacks that heavy amount of legal immigration that was seen in the 1910-1940's...which was responsible for a huge economic expansion.
That could be duplicated today if it were not so lengthy and expensive to become a legal working citizen (which is what scares most people off). Make them legal easier, and you will be collecting taxes quicker.

They will still work for low wages, at bad jobs, while everyone else prospers. Sooo much potential.

 

chris... so what about learning our language? Should that be a requirement of living in our country?

 

me too, but no more mexicans. We have MORE than enough of those.

Most non-hispanic immigrants are educated and learn our language. I worked with many, having worked at software companies. Those people, of all different nationalities love america, know the language before they get here, and add a ton to our workforce and knowledge.

 

Well, I would personally like them to speak our language, but unfortunately there is no official national language like other countries.

Until we change that, all hopes of having to learn english are very small.

The international business language is english, so most European, Asian, and south American nations require that their students take some form of english as a second language eventually.

Until Mexico can get hold of their own people, there is very little we can do to make them learn our language...unless you want to spend more of your own money to make them learn it. All the ways to punish illegals involes taking more of our money than if we just let them stay illegally.

I personally blame Mexico for not caring about the well being of their citizens, especially the ones with the drive to learn and better themselves. Im pretty sure those illegals risking their lives to be here would be much happier to just learn some basic communications skills.

 

For living here, first for obtaining entry? Which do you want? Most people who move here, do, in fact, learn the language eventually. Just watch any commercial break for Spanish language tv, and you'll see $300 CD/DVD courses for learning the language.

Yes, we do have Spanish language tv/radio here, so what? If you moved to just about any industrialized nation on this planet, you could find English media as well. Spanish is the 3rd or 4th most known language in the world, you won't be able to avoid it anywhere, I promise you. Advertisers will always reach out to people and their money in as many ways as they can.

 

I spent a couple months in Europe, and there was really no need for me to even speak the native language. Every where i went, be it the guy behind the counter at a gas station or the owner of a 5 start Hotel, they all spoke English. Waitresses , The post man, everyone spoke english. I tried to speak the native tongue (When i was in the German speaking countries) out of respect, but everywhere else everyone knew how to communicate with me.

You really dont realize how behind in language the US and Mexico are until you work with european and asian foreigners.

 

I hate how you assume that the US should pay for them to learn english. If they can't learn it on their own to obtain citienzenship why should it be our responsibility? I am always against HELPING PEOPLE MORE THAN THEY HELP THEMSELVES. America seems to have a huge problem with that and it costs us everyday.

 

That is the crux of the problem. If people south of the border had decent opportunities, there would be no motive to come here.

However, what are we as Americans supposed to do about it? Let all our factories here close and open shop in Mexico? A) That's already happening, 2) Either way we lose jobs to someone willing to do it for less, III) That means we're back to square one, putting up a wall.

A police answer to an economic problem.

And it still won't stop companies and jobs from moving south, or moving to China.

The only real answer is to continually upgrade your skill set.

 

I have no problems with people coming to this country, to WORK! As long as you work, pay your taxes, and not depend on the government to survive, I say bring all the immigrants you want over here. I dont want to have to pay more taxes because illegals come in and expect the government to pay for everything.

And one more thing, freaking have car insurance. I dont care if you are illegal or not, if you get into a car accident, and you dont have insurance, you should be arrested, mandatory 6 months prision sentence, and have your car impounded (permanently, the gov sells the car, pays for your prision sentence, bam, we're done here).

 

i was guilty of this for a long time growing up. wanna know why?
from 16-21 for males, they want $220-$275 a month for JUST liabilty to drive a $300 car (never in my life would i or have I been in or caused an accident anyway, and i drive at minimum 25k miles a year).

and being no insurance tickets are $496, i simply have to go 2 months without being pulled over to make it up. Sorry, but auto insurance is a rip off. rates need to be based off of personal driving skill, not demographic. If you check out alot of these big rental car places around seatac airport, their driving crew is a bunch of 30+ year old women from who just sat in a car a few months earlier.

it's an excuse sure, but when you ask people to make minimum wage and have to drive to work, there should be lower rates or something instead of paying 25% of your income for something you see no benefit of having.