OMFG! Texans are passing up reggie bush!
wtf!!?!?!? they are using their 1st overall pick on Mario Williams?!!? how can you pass up both reggie bush AND vince young?! reggie bush is gonna be one of the greats and its gonna go down in history that the texans passed on him for mario williams..yes mario is the best defensive player in the draft but reggie bush would make a much greater impact on the texans organization as well as the rest of the league. this makes me soo angry!!
yeah, i can't understand it either. even if Williams is an impact player defensively, i'd go with an impact player offensively, and potentially one of the best ever (of course it's too early to tell)....
maybe they didn't want to pay the bush contract. imo, bush is gonna go for more than the 5.3 mil a year Williams is getting. His contract is basically 26.5 mil over five years (yeah i know it's really an incentive based contract that could put him over 60 mil if he hits some totals but the over is not guaranteed).
if i were a texans fan i'd be ticked. i'm not, i'm a lions fan so i'm disappointed every year
maybe they didn't want to pay the bush contract. imo, bush is gonna go for more than the 5.3 mil a year Williams is getting. His contract is basically 26.5 mil over five years (yeah i know it's really an incentive based contract that could put him over 60 mil if he hits some totals but the over is not guaranteed).
if i were a texans fan i'd be ticked. i'm not, i'm a lions fan so i'm disappointed every year
lol..yeh i bet alot of houstonians are POed right now..first we decide not to draft the hometown hero vince young. then everyone begins to look forward to reggie and then they decide to draft a DE as #1 overall..they might as well trade down a pick or two, draft williams, and get possibly another 1st round pick next year or a quality player.
oh btw, who's the QB over there now? is it harrington or garcia? this year still looks optimistic for the texans even without reggie. i know Arizona's gonna be alot better esp. if kurt warner comes back.
oh btw, who's the QB over there now? is it harrington or garcia? this year still looks optimistic for the texans even without reggie. i know Arizona's gonna be alot better esp. if kurt warner comes back.
harrington is trying to get to miami (even though he'll backup). as of the 20th his deal was almost done. if detroit keeps him past june 15th (i think) he gets a hefty bonus. i hope he goes. garcia is long gone. if harrington goes, either jon kitna or josh mccown will probably start the season.
detroit picks ninth as it stands. if he's still there they'll probably go with texas safety michael huff. but i've been reading they may try and trade up to get a chance at d'brickashaw ferguson.
i'm interested to hear the terms of young's and bush's contracts compared to williams.
detroit picks ninth as it stands. if he's still there they'll probably go with texas safety michael huff. but i've been reading they may try and trade up to get a chance at d'brickashaw ferguson.
i'm interested to hear the terms of young's and bush's contracts compared to williams.
Mario is a better impact in the "Now" time. With no one to open holes, Bush would have a very short life expectancy in Houston. When are teams gonna learn? You start from the O-line and then work your way out from there. Dominate the line of scrimmage, and you will dominate the game. Give a heady QB 4 sec to find an open reciever, and he will. Open holes big enough for a 5 year old girl to walk through and pick daisies for 4 yards, and you're gonna win a few games. For reference, see the 90's Cowboys.
I am just glad that my friend and I did not renew our season tix for the Texans. I was second guessing myself when thinking about having Bush there and how exciting that may make a game, but thankfully I decided against it.
Originally Posted by scionofPCFL
Mario is a better impact in the "Now" time. With no one to open holes, Bush would have a very short life expectancy in Houston. When are teams gonna learn? You start from the O-line and then work your way out from there. Dominate the line of scrimmage, and you will dominate the game. Give a heady QB 4 sec to find an open reciever, and he will. Open holes big enough for a 5 year old girl to walk through and pick daisies for 4 yards, and you're gonna win a few games. For reference, see the 90's Cowboys.
1000 Yards for a runner in todays NFL is nothing, that's only 62.5 yards/game. That is not dominating. You don't build a team around a superstar. Not with salary caps. They take up too much money, and don't produce enough to justify it. The Texans screwed up when they took that first QB way back in the day and then brought in a bunch of 35 year old O-linemen. It took them out of running for way too long.
How far did the Lions get with Barry Sanders? Nowhere. And that is arguably the best running back that has ever played the game. He put up the same numbers Emmit did (or rather close), but his yardage came in big chunks, because his o-line sucked monkey grapes. He'd have 15 runs for 25 yards and then pop an 80 yarder simply because he was phenomenal. For a running game to have an impact, you need the boring 3-5 yards and a cloud of dust on 90% of your running plays. Bush is not that guy. And if you have Bush on your team, you won't have enough money for a dominating O-line.
How far did the Lions get with Barry Sanders? Nowhere. And that is arguably the best running back that has ever played the game. He put up the same numbers Emmit did (or rather close), but his yardage came in big chunks, because his o-line sucked monkey grapes. He'd have 15 runs for 25 yards and then pop an 80 yarder simply because he was phenomenal. For a running game to have an impact, you need the boring 3-5 yards and a cloud of dust on 90% of your running plays. Bush is not that guy. And if you have Bush on your team, you won't have enough money for a dominating O-line.
^^ true, but the texans run blocking scheme is still sufficient. domanic davis has the ability to break tackles and run up hill. he got the 3-5 yards per carry. and every now and then busted a 15-20 yd run.
and u are right, we do need a better o-line. we need both pass protection and run-blocking in order to win games. and again i will have to disagree on the david carr comment. texans fans have only got to see what david carr can do while he's running for his life. last season, he was told to take a three step drop and let the ball go as soon as possible. the o-line never gave him or the play time to form. he is a great QB considering the physical punishment he had to endure his first 3 years. hopefully that'll change this year. we got mike sherman as our o-line coach now and looking at what he did with green bay's o-line makes me very optimistic. david carr has a great arm, has great feet, and has the build to take the hits. if the o-line gives him time, he will produce.
and u are right, we do need a better o-line. we need both pass protection and run-blocking in order to win games. and again i will have to disagree on the david carr comment. texans fans have only got to see what david carr can do while he's running for his life. last season, he was told to take a three step drop and let the ball go as soon as possible. the o-line never gave him or the play time to form. he is a great QB considering the physical punishment he had to endure his first 3 years. hopefully that'll change this year. we got mike sherman as our o-line coach now and looking at what he did with green bay's o-line makes me very optimistic. david carr has a great arm, has great feet, and has the build to take the hits. if the o-line gives him time, he will produce.
you reggie bush fans really needs to read a recent sporting news column in regards to why he isnt going to amount to much in the NFL. everything they said makes pretty good sense. The guy needs space to run, the other thing that will stop him dead is that defensive linemen in the NFL can actually run, fast. College is a joke compared to the NFL.
believe it or not, players actually do develop into better players even after their rookie year
. of course the nfl athletes are much better then college athletes. all plyers will adapt to the much faster paced game. if they dont, they get cut from the team, simple as that. even if reggie bush has a mediocre rookie year, he will learn the new game and will leave his mark. (that is unless he gets career ending injuries etc.)
oh btw, im not a die hard reggie fan. im just a texans fan. i was just upset they passed up both vince young (hometown hero) and reggie bush (heisman winner) for a DE. true williams is a great player that will make a great impact for the team, but just not as big as an impact as either bush or young would make.
oh btw, im not a die hard reggie fan. im just a texans fan. i was just upset they passed up both vince young (hometown hero) and reggie bush (heisman winner) for a DE. true williams is a great player that will make a great impact for the team, but just not as big as an impact as either bush or young would make.
as a fan you'd wish to see your team grab some exciting offensive player; but that alone won't get you a trophy. Ask the Lions ( Sanders ), Falcons ( Vick ), etc...
Those guys are/were among the most entertaining to watch, but you gotta have D to win these days. Or at least have a good balance across the board.
If he was around and the Pack passed him over, i'd be asking "why" as well... but sometimes you have to look at the big picture.
And as many first round picks either don't live up to their potential, or take a couple seasons to do so; we'll have to wait and see how this draft works out for all.
Those guys are/were among the most entertaining to watch, but you gotta have D to win these days. Or at least have a good balance across the board.
If he was around and the Pack passed him over, i'd be asking "why" as well... but sometimes you have to look at the big picture.
And as many first round picks either don't live up to their potential, or take a couple seasons to do so; we'll have to wait and see how this draft works out for all.
Originally Posted by 05-RS1
^^ true, but the texans run blocking scheme is still sufficient. domanic davis has the ability to break tackles and run up hill. he got the 3-5 yards per carry. and every now and then busted a 15-20 yd run.
and u are right, we do need a better o-line. we need both pass protection and run-blocking in order to win games. and again i will have to disagree on the david carr comment. texans fans have only got to see what david carr can do while he's running for his life. last season, he was told to take a three step drop and let the ball go as soon as possible. the o-line never gave him or the play time to form. he is a great QB considering the physical punishment he had to endure his first 3 years. hopefully that'll change this year. we got mike sherman as our o-line coach now and looking at what he did with green bay's o-line makes me very optimistic. david carr has a great arm, has great feet, and has the build to take the hits. if the o-line gives him time, he will produce.
and u are right, we do need a better o-line. we need both pass protection and run-blocking in order to win games. and again i will have to disagree on the david carr comment. texans fans have only got to see what david carr can do while he's running for his life. last season, he was told to take a three step drop and let the ball go as soon as possible. the o-line never gave him or the play time to form. he is a great QB considering the physical punishment he had to endure his first 3 years. hopefully that'll change this year. we got mike sherman as our o-line coach now and looking at what he did with green bay's o-line makes me very optimistic. david carr has a great arm, has great feet, and has the build to take the hits. if the o-line gives him time, he will produce.
I'm a Texas Alum, and quite frankly, couldn't be happier that Vince didn't goto the Texans. He'd have looked great running for his life and making things happen, but it seems that the Texans management is simply clueless on how to build a winning team. Maybe they too have finally seen the light. I'm also exstatic that Simms went to Tampa. He did not need to be in the lime-light. With Gruden's teaching, and being able to just sit back and relax he has flurished. He is a superstar about to burst through the bubble. And that's exactly how you want a QB to progress.
Yeah defense does win championships look at the ravens,pats and steelers all winners of super bowls the last couple years and they had great defenses with many great players. Mario willams is nice but he alone wont fortify there defense this will take years or a lot of free agents. But overall it was the best choice they could make bush is undersized and would get murdered if forced to run the ball 25+ a game(which would happen because of the woeful texan pass blocking) people compare him to marshall faulk he was always more about versatilty though he did have some good running years with the colts. Vince young woulda got rocked just like david carr.
the reason i was upset was because they could have gotten so much with that number 1 pick. if we wanted defense, the Jets offered the texans their 1st round pick (4th), next years 1st round, AND Ty Law. if they wanted defense, that's the move they should have made. i believe mario would have still been available at #4 if the texans had not drafted him #1.
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