wow this post is still going, i should check my mail more.

im using the Mac Might Mouse right now, it looks like a single button, but its more like 4 and i dig it.

people here are getting all intense about it, debating is fun though, some people just get butt hurt or emo at times. i can use both, i have both, but right now im using a mac 95% of the time coz its just less problamatic for me at this point.

and of course for the sweetest reason...chicks dig macs for some reason

its like if you own an xB...both the auto and stick are cool

but if you own a manuel, chicks just dig is a lil more...



dont flame me haha

 

My mouse has ten buttons...

Haha, sorry, just had to laugh at that phrase in general

I do agree that the computers that have all that preloaded crap are junkers yes. However there are assloads of nice cases out there for PC's (check out Lian Li, real classy). The amount of wires are solely based on your setup and the layout of both the case and the drives, so that varies greatly. I will agree that windows is a security and stability nightmare though.

 

Yeah this is a very old debate and always gets heated. I don't ever see an end to it until either pc's or mac's become completely obsolete. Still fun to argue though.

And I know plenty of reasons chicks like mac's but I'll refrain to avoid flames from both chicks and mac users...

I dunno about the car analogy though, I'd say pc's are more like manuals since you have to do the shifting (manipulation) yourself versus mac (auto) where everything is done behind the scenes without you needing to lift a finger except to turn it on.

 

High end = Pricier models. Whether it's Dell, HP, Alienware, whatever. It doesn't matter if it's worth the dough or not at this point.

Except for monitor and power cords, all other wires are optional. Sure, a USB here and there is no biggie, if it's temporary, bu Bluetooth is a wonderful thing. Most likely a brain tumor causing wonderful thing, but wonderful nonetheless.

And yea, I've looked for some cases that are more than a grey box, and there are plenty. However, we then get back to me back tracking to remember how it all gets installed or pay out the but to get someone to do it for me and then paying an arm and a leg for the software. Then we lose all of the economic advantages of building a machine.

 

If by wires you meant externally, that doesn't matter which you have really. They all use the same amount of wires. PC has bluetooth too. Something I have yet to delve into, but definitely on the horizon. Unfortunately, until they start running keyboards and mice on much less juice (like self recharging crystal batteries), you'll still have to dock them with wires or replace the batteries. So I'll stick to the wired versions for now.

Personally I like working on things and building/putting stuff together (ikeaphile) so saving money by assembling myself is a twofold gain for me. Even if I liked mac's I'd probably try to see if there was an option to put it together myself for a discount. But that's just me. Some people aren't down like that.

 

Can you imagine a company saying: OK fellas, we're going to be building our own PCs from now on!
That would be great.
Not.

 

Depends on the company. It would save a great deal of money if they just paid one dude to build their computers instead of paying another company to do it for each computer. (wouldn't work for absurdly sized firms, but small to medium sized ones would make sense)

 

never really been into macs. we had them in elementary school, but then in middle school we moved into PC's.

personaly, i have an alienware laptop (only 4 months old) w/ windows XP installed...i refuse to upgrade to vista because of its security settings and lack of support.

dont get me wrong, i like the look of apple computers, and i hope they start shredding into the PC market (a lil competition is good for all us consumers).

main reason i use windows is because games run better on them...and dont even get me started about linux, that **** rocks.

 

Mac OS is as good as Linux.
I use 'em all.

 

Hah... SciontCya... I'm with you buddy. Everything you said is right. As for the company building their own pcs. Yeah, doesn't work. In an Enterprise environment, you have to go with an external company. In my campus alone, we have almost 4000 pcs & hundreds of servers. No time to build your own or research cables. Oh... and yeah... I work at a GAMING company. Just about every large studio is the same way. Also, your gaming arguement will soon be thrown out the window. Can't comment, but wait.

In the end, be open-minded people.

 

My favorite .dotcom i ever worked in late 90s did this(well gave us the option to). We developers sat around for a couple hours, building them. Gives you great pride in what you work on, and makes you feel more ownership for the place you work(stock options helped too, i guess).

 

Doc, the reality is that ONLY THE MAC can run every software program available - and that includes all the great PC games!
Now for the future, you are indeed right my friend, it's ONLY the beginning!

 

people aren't going to making drivers for top end nvidia cards for the mac os anytime soon. please enlighten, or don't make wild claims. gamers don't wait on official drivers to make their cards run better, they use homegrown ones, especially since game to game, you may need different ones.

Can you even put in a now dated nvidia 7800 into a mac?

 

playing the games is one thing, but gamers care about performance. Any game that is made for the Mac OS and Windows, runs at abuot 80% capability on the Mac if you're talking same mhz, same ram, etc... and gamers are always looking at video cards that don't even work on Macs. Top end gaming card for Macs now is a nvidia 7300. that's over 1.5 years old.

 

It's called a NDA Dave. Allow time and the answers will come.

We also have to take the gaming arguement of the Apple vs PC debate with a grain of salt. Such a small percentage of the population is running a water-cooled dual-sli raid O rig. It is safe to assume that more than 50% of the computers out there are pre-fabbed units. Also, the minimum specifications of new titles still support the 7xxx series chipset. Saying you need the highest end pc peripherals is like saying "Scions suck, should have bought a Ferrari."

 

Do some research Dave, please.

• ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB GDDR3 SDRAM (2 x dual-link DVI)
• NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB GDDR3 SDRAM, (Stereo 3D, 2 x dual-link DVI)

 

the best video card for macs is worth a mere $99(7300 gt, check it out). For $200-$240 I can, and do, get cards that run 60-80% better than these, and only but the top 1% of games out at the time, can I not turn up all the graphics sliders.

All us gamers know(and i;'d think as someone who works at a game developer), video cards start at some insane $500+, then get to $400(where a small hardcore set of people buy), then to $200-250(where I think the majority of gamers buy), then cards get to the $100 or less mark, and they're considered old(and usually the newest games can't be played for **** on). right?

if ferraris were just twice what a scion was, then yeah you should have bought a ferrari, don't you think?

 

ok, how much you got to spend on that new mac to get either of those cards as an option? please post it.

 

You talk out your *ss and then ask how much?
Give up Dave, you look more like an *ss with each post.

I'd love to take you seriously, but I think you should stick to the Anna Nicole Smith threads...

 

i said, "Top end gaming card for Macs now is a nvidia 7300"
both those cards are designed for 3d animators(and I doubt either actually have drivers made to play all the new games),but the cheapest you're going to get either of those cards for in your mac is over $3k.

$3,000. i've never spent even half that on a computer, have you?