i know everyone hates illegal street racing and whatnot ...this really wasnt like a planned event or anything ... havent been racing in a while, ok well anyway the other night with my girlfriend in the car i heard some stupid tin-can coming from like a mile behind me and i just laughed he was all over the gas trying to catch up to me, well when he finally does i see its a hatch and i just laugh, so he does one of those creeps away and then pulls back ...pretty much to get my attention which he already had cause i was laughing at him, and then we decided to take off at about 45 mph, id say he was in probably in 3rd gear while i was in 4th, it was weird because my tc started to walk him ...and i mean literally just creep away like he was slowing down but you could hear he wasnt giving up on his car.

from what i saw and heard-
he had either a turbo or a loud/crappy cold air intake, an intercooler, full blown 4 1/2 inch exhaust

all i have are aw headers/ injen cold air intake/colder spark plugs

now the question is, how in hell did i just walk away from a civic hatchback like it was nothing, when i know normally they beat you? lol since they are full blown riced out lol



i probably would have walked away from him even more if i had my s-pipe and zpi pulley installed

 

just cause a civic is fast doesn't mean it's "full blown riced out" I HATE honduhs but I respect them .

he probably stopped trying.

and i'm sure he didn't have "full blown" 4 1/2 exhaust. no matter what he was running that large on a civic would be pointless as it'd lose power.

oh and if he had an intercooler he most definately had a turbo.


oh and turbo's / cold airs normally sound 100% different.

i'm guessing he either wasn't racing you .
your torque saved the day
his car had a mechanical problem.

 

Half the time the Honda guys only "pretend" to be fast. For every body kit, fart can Civic I see on the road (including Si's), only like 2 out of 30 are fast enough to beat a stock Scion tC.

Makes me think of the time we were on our way back from the other side of town. Ran up on this two door civic with a fart can about hanging to the ground bouncing all over the place. He had some crappy AEM stickers and what not. We weren't even going to do anything, until the street turned into two lanes, and he rolled up next to us and slowed down right next to us. I would say it was probably from a 40mph roll. But you could hear him down shift and mash the gas. My g/f was driving at the time, and it was her, me, and her little brother in the tC. Get this, She didn't even down shift, and we just pulled away from him like he was standing still. After that, he was to embarrased to race anymore.


Just a side note: Don't be scared to race a B16A1 swapped Integra with header, intake, and slight motor work. Cause my g/f walked him too (still stock in the tC). Only thing done so far worth mentioning is the TWM stage 2 and Tein H-techs.

The B16A1 race was from a stop. Both times he got the jump on us, because she didn't know how he was doing the 3 honks, so it caught her off gaurd. We only went two times. First race, he got a half car jump on us, but then we pulled half a car ahead before we shut it down. Second race, she was really caught off gaurd, and he jumped about a car length before we even started going. And she got a really crappy launch to boot. So, we only pulled up to half a car lenght on him before we shut it down. So, in fairness we LET him claim victory on the second race.

Moral of the story, don't be intemidated by how loud those fart cans are. Honda guys have to do a lot of work to match and keep up with us (motor swap, port & polish, header, intake, turbo's etc...)

 

yea i dunno its like the 5th civic, but ive seen this kid around before and he schools people, and he wasnt toying with me because ive heard through the grapevine he wanted some of me, i smoked his friends civic hatch ...a red one that has a different ecu and a cold air intake and fart can...i walked that kid by about 7 car lengths and then some... oh and my tc doesnt have anything interior lol im working on it.... but yea so i guess i wont race civics anymore ...lol

i want to turboify my tc

 

We have a 2003 Civic Si that would blow your doors off. So, don't be too quick to laugh at Honduhs.

 

you always gotta respect a crx/civic because you never know what is under the hood. and you dont need a motor swap in a honda to keep up with a TC. you can run low 15's with simple bolt ons for 88-91 civic/crx si, 92-95 civic si.

im thinking about buying another crx as a project car again because hasport finally came out with the h22 mount kit for it

 

lemme put it this way. if he has a honduh hatch with turbo he is pretty much guarranteed to be running mid14's - mid 13's. and I KNOW your tc is NOWHERE near that fast.

 

guess it depends where you live. i'd say a good 40% of the honduhs around here are sleepers and or just serious about speed. and will smoke many a car. 300z turbo'd , mustangs , camaro's , lightnings , celica's , as well as a VAST array of cars.

 

^agreed. I've seen crx/si's, hatch's take out 5.0's and integras hands down. even have videos of them. sleepers indeed here in So Cal.

 

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Maybe not to keep up, but to beat a tC stock, yeah, you are going to need a motor swap. An Si will be ok, but any other model civic is just a waist of gas. And don't forget, tC's have bolt-on's too. Not putting down Civics at all. Some can be real fast.

Look at it this way, to make a Civic break 200whp, what will it take?

Now look at a tC and compare what will it take for it to break 200whp?

Simple bolt-on's for a civic/crx SI may yeild low 15's. But not many people I see have SI's. They are mostly ricers and wannabe teeny boopers.


And I know a 2006 tC that would blow the doors off of your Civic Si.


PS..I'm not hating on Civic's or Honda's in general for that matter. My only problem I have with them (and the reason why I won't buy a Honda) is they don't have the TQ to back up the HP #'s. Take the new Civic SI for example.....192hp, 8k RPM redline....Sounds awesome don't it. Then it turns around and has 139ftlbs of TQ.

 

I can vouch for that, my buddy had a 94 civic hatch that ran high 11's, his civic hatch exterior was bone stock, and it sounded soooo ricey, i actually was making fun of its myself until i saw it was his. my civic looked a lil ricey by most of your standards, all it had was a body kit, and exhaust. but i did have the motor to back it up, anyways, that civic prolly wasnt trying.

 

^yep. some do a lot with lightening their load so you get an extra 60lbs or so off your load and it equals a tiny bit more speed. B16a and it's all over for the tC.

 

yes, not to mention the car is 1,000 lbs lighter, the b16 (without any internal upgrades, or even exhaust or intake) has the exact same Horse power as your tC.

 

unless it is the 500 hp one on the back of most mags or the full out drag one i dont think so ..............
if its yours you will have to yeild at least high 11's to beat this one

(567whp @30psi) (we've gone through some changes recently) and hasnt been tracked yet

i do agree how ever on the ricers and teeny bobppers with crappy crx's cause hey thats all they can afford and trust me i clown on them all the time

also the new kseries honda motor has a highger redline to make that power but look at this to make a higher redline (which is usually what people want or high power)
you have to sacfrifice TQ
hence the stroke is actually very short when compared to the type-s motor and the tsx motor witch are tq monsters which did not have the large redline

but if you feel froggy enough ill make sure my husband would take you up on your offer

 

I guess both of you must have missed the part where I said my g/f walked a B16a1 equipped Integra, with a header, intake, and light internal work. And our tC only has a TWM SS, and Tein H-techs. I actually looked up the engine specs on the B16a1 before we raced it. I saw they YES it does have right around the same Hp as a Stock tC, but where the tC takes the cake is the B16a1 has only like 112ftlbs of TQ.

Intergra w/ B16a1 = 160(ish)hp and 111-112ftlbs tq (give or take a few, cause the guy had a header, intake, muffler, also said he had slight motor work.

vs.

Stock tC = 160hp and 163ftlbs tq.

TQ is why we pulled him.

 

OK, again, the integra is still 700lbs more than a hatchback, im PRETTY sure, that might make a diffrence so that motor in that lil car, can haul.

 

567whp @ 30psi? That's my other problem with trying to make hp out of the small civic motors. It takes 30psi to break 500whp. Where as for the tC, it only would take 14 or 15psi to break into the high 11sec 1/4's. At 14psi I don't think it would yeild 500ponies, but it will yeild a high 11sec. 1/4.

What speed are you trapping at? By the way, I'm not trying to dis on your ride or anything, just saying what I don't like about Civics and trying to make power out of them. WAY TOO MUCH WORK! Motor for Motor (which means the motor originally equipped from the factory), it's going to take a Civic a whole heck of a lot more to reach 244whp 262ftlbs of TQ than just a bolt on turbo kit. Turbonetics released their straight bolt on turbo for the tC and yeilded those #'s to the wheels.

It took 8psi's to get those #'s. How much hp do you think a Civic would make at only 8psi's. That brings me to mind, saw this vid of a Teggy with turbo, running 19psi's and a crap load of engine work, and only yeilded 230whp. One simple bolt on turbo for a tC will yeild more than that, and that's only one bolt on. Haven't even gotten into engine work yet. Give it some time, there will be more 500+ tC's running around other than just the JoTech on. Kenny @ ZPI is already breathing down the neck of a high 11sec. pass.

You guys should visit the Forced Induction section for the tC's more often.

 

Don't forget drivers knowing how to drive their car. I'm still not sure it would be a flat out onslaught. Drivers Race more so.

 

of course, the driver is a major aspect of racing, i was just assuming the drivers were of equal skill level, It coulda been some noob in the honda, and yah then the tc would win.but with equal skill, the honda would have won.

 

Just a little side note: I taught my g/f how to drive a 5 speed in 3 days. The tC is the first 5 speed car she has ever driven or owned. Only have had the tC(tC's cause this is the second one) collectively for probably about 5 months.