everyone else across the country should get a dose of socal hondas. everyone is a damn sleeper.

-i believe stock civic/crx si 88-95 ran 15.7's stock and thats comparable with a stock tc. ive even seen a gutted 88 crx si run 15.1 bone stock.

-ive seen dynos of b18c on 8lbs get as high as 270whp

 

can't mess with so cal tuners man, period.

 

all i got to say are civics are slow..coem on now if i can beat a civic with a kia spectra i know for a fact a tC can dominate the little civic

 

You HEARD the intercooler?



Probably this guy had the exhaust and nothing else, which would in fact make his car run slower than stock because of no backpressure.

 

the honduh would not need a motorswap.

he probably had lets say the weakest of all honduh fuel injected. d15....... put a greddy turbo kit. and bam you have a 2100 pound car with more than 130whp. yer tc would be dead.

 

Yeah, a STOCK tC. And it might be 130whp, but have like 115ftlbs of TQ.

Why do people get so hung up on HP #'s, and never mention anything about TQ. HP is bragging rights, TQ wins races. I find it so funny how people would just automatically make bold statements like "yer tc would be dead".

What happens when the tC goes boost, then what? The Civic would have to do tones of work to reach a whp comprable to a bolted on turbo tC running 6-8psi because of the disadvantage of only having 1.6-1.8L vs. our 2.4L.

How about this, if you can show me a Civic that has over 230whp with just a bolt on turbo, and NOT have an engine swap, then I rest my case.

PS..Just as a side not, I'm not calling Civics slow. ANY car can be made to go fast, I'm just merely comparing the amount of money that has to be invested to make it fast.

A 2005 Civic Special Edition cost 19k +, and is slower than syrup.

A 2005 Scion tC cost only 16k and would walk that thing all day.

To make a tC break 230whp will cost you less than to make a Civic (which is more expensive) break 230whp (without an engine swap). That is the only thing I'm talking about. Just the cost of HP, not bad mouthing anybody or anybodies car.

 

thanks guys for having a none arguing debate for once on this topic...another reason why i wanted to debate this was because im thinking about getting a crx and doing a motor swap and turboing the hell out of it ...just because from shear numbers ...crx = honda god if done right ...and as stated before it will smoke anything out there really ...

i just dont know if i want to get a crx or not ... im talking to the kid with the green hatch later today/tonight and im going to see if he wants to join my car club and im gonna talk to him bout what he has under the hood and then we will see why our launch from 40 mph went how it did

 

^^Because he was Granny Shifting and not double cluthing like he should have been...

No, seriously, it probably was due to TQ.

 

Are you kidding?
Take your pick from any bolt on kit for an 01-05 SI.

http://www.turbo-kits.com/01-05_civic_turbo_kits.html

Stop comparing HP and Torque numbers without factoring in the car itself.

It takes roughly 200-220hp to the wheels to get a typical EG civic hatch to run high 12s/low 13s with proper suspension and tires. This can be achieved in a million ways since hondas have the compatibility of Legos compared to other imports. For instance, you can assemble an LSVTEC and install it for under what you would pay for your turbo kit for your tC and the Honda could kill your car.

200~hp in a 2100lbs car is superior to a 1.5 ton boosted Scion. He has a third less weight to pull that you do.

 

LSVTEC's don't come eqquipped in Civics from the factory. Besides, I would just turn up the boost after that, to match the 200hp to 2100lb car ratio, and then be running low 12's with FULL interior not 13's.

 

hahahaha yeah right

 

Full interior 12.49 run

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/g...ando_12_49.wmv

ZPI Stage 1 turbo

Just to tickle your fancy....12.52 run

http://www.zeropointindustries.net/g..._12_52_2nd.wmv

And this is not even 14psi. More like 10.5 or 11psi. Cranked up to 14-15psi, gutt the interior, and slap in an LSD (when Qualfie gets off their ___) = NICE #'s as you disappear in the horizon.

 

not to diss ur comments, and i wasn't there when ur gf race the integra wid a B16a engine, but hondas although are not known to have TQ, its all abt gear ratio, rpm, blah blah blah (i'm not a engineer on that), u said B16a is slower then tC, is it because they "pretend" to have a B16a?? my friends 94 GSR literally beat a 96 M3 on the freeway (wid me in the car, my friend went 140 mph), the only thing he has is a mod chip, a axle back from Apexi, and a racing clutch..... i guess everyone drives their car differently, but since u have expericne wid beating intergra GSRs that are modded wit ur stock tC, and "knowing" that you will walk them anytime u want, then come to CA.... any person who knows how to mod their intergras will prove that their car modded can walk you with your stock tC from head to toe and from dusk til dawn

and yea, i dont really buy into how your girlfriend drives stick for 3 days and actually "know" how to race ppl, unless she has super sense on how the car would react at different RPM, ie: how many TQ @ how many RPM, etc etc etc...... i might be wrong because she might be practicing day and night, and i ain't saying ur BSing, jus not buying into the story, cuz its a STICK SHIFT, not AUTOMATIC......

if i offend u, i would apologize, but its my opinion and i didn't attack u at all

 

lame thread. there should be a section called "Lame" where all the "I raced a..." threads should go. Take street racing for what it is... don't put to much thought into it, because who knows if the guy was trying, etc...

Threads like this are stupid, and so is street racing.

 

No problem, I don't get offended at peoples opinion. But yes, the guy did have a B16a1. I looked under his hood, and saw the header, the intake, and he said there was slight motor work. He had an exhaust, a CF hood, and some racing seats. This was an older model Teggy.

And yes he was racing, because he was here working on my g/f sisters car (installing subs) and I told him that my g/f would run him if he wanted. So, he said lets go. And we did two runs both from a dead stop. And yes, I taught my g/f how to drive a stick in 3 days. I didn't say she has only been driving for 3 days. Although still not a hardcore racer, she has probably about 6 or 7 victories under her belt. And yes the Teggy was a 5 speed too. I should have got vid of it, but I don't think he would have liked that. We are semi-friends with him, and I will ask him to run with us again, so I can post it for you.

 

Not all hatchs are fast. It depends on what motor he has and what mods he has. If he had i/h/e on a D series then its going to be pretty slow. If he had a B16 he could have easily walked you. If he had a turbo, again, depending on the motor depends on how "fast" its going to be. Not to mention, PSI, he could have been running lean or rich and so on so forth. I doubt it was turbo'd because you wouldn't have to guess, you would have known.

Bottom line is, too many things go into play with a hatch to determine why you creeped away. Chances are, crappy motor, lots of milage, and not many mods.

I know a few hatchbacks that would smoke you easily. One or two sound pretty much like a "fart machine". Its really hard tuning a street motor from honda and not having either higher pitched notes on top end, or having some rasp issues. You could have an extremely well build B16 or K20 and still sound kind of crappy. Then again, it depends on set ups and so on as you tCers already discovered with the 2az rasp.

 

Actually, its alot easier to build a honda motor to break 230whp vs. a 2az breaking 230whp. And depending on n/a or f/i, it will cost roughly the same depending on what all you do.

I had a 97' gs-r, 231whp was my last dyno. 231whp was @ 7,100rpm with a redline of 8,600rpm. Now, with custom gearing i broke low 13's 1/4. Although it was set up with suspension to do road courses. (at a track, not street)

With this said, 200whp tCs are only breaking high to mid 14's. Tq isn't everything, neither is whp if you don't have the proper set up to control and deliver the power to the ground. And for the record, i didn't have much of a low end.

I'm not trying to argue with you, but to say its easier to build a 2az over something like a B16, K20, H22 or something along the lines of that is absurd.

 

I believe the topic was comparing Civics to tC's, not Integra GSR's to tC's. Again, what I'm trying to articulate is a CIVIC with the FACTORY motor, is going to be more difficult to reach 230+whp N/A or FI compared to just a single straight bolt on ZPI turbo. ZPI stage 0 dynoed at 245whp and 257ftlbs. Turbonetics (using a T3/T04) dynoed at 244whp and 262ftlbs. These are straight bolt on kits, no internal work done to the motor what so ever.

I'm not arguing with you. But how much time, cost and effort would it take to build a CIVIC motor to break 230whp vs. taking 2 to 3 hrs to bolt on a turbo on a tC that breaks 240ish whp and 260ish ftlbs?


I live by the moto, there is always someone who is going to be faster. Just because you utter the words B16, B18, does not automatically make you a car God, and faster than the other kid down the block. You don't know what he is packing, unless you go around sneaking in his garage late at night....lol

 

It depends on what Civic you are talking about. And you can't claim using a stock motor with the original poster's words because he doesn't know if its stock or not as far as the motor. If you read my other post, you will see that i said if its a stock motor with just say i/h/e, then the tC can pull away. Please read my other post before automatically assuming things with the next post. I was using my old car as an example.

And did i say i was a car god? I mean seriously, leave the f&f out of it. Again, i was using some of those motors as an example of what he could have and so on so forth of honda potential. Too many people on here shut down honda and their motors for things they don't know anything about. Just covering all the aspects of situations, thats all.

And because majority of my on hands experience and knowledge leads to honda motors, i feel i know more about their motors and what can be done than 90% of people on here referring to their motors and potential. Not sounding cocky, but from what i've seen, not many know about honda. I mean, people shut down the 06' Si without knowing anything about it other than other peoples opinions.

 

^^That's pretty much every Civic besides the SI. But everyone assumes because it's a Civic, it will automatically be fast. That's why they sorta have a semi bad rep., because all the ricers out there bringing disgrace to the Honda culture. I wasn't saying that you were saying you were a car god. That wasn't directed at you. The F&F talks just seem funny to me...lol. It's all in good fun. You know a lot about the honda motors and community.

Here is what I know, I like TQ. I like our tC. And have only lost to one Honda. It was an Acura Integra with header, some other stuff under the hood. Don't know which motor it was, but I lost because I grinded going into 3rd gear. (This was on a short track, and with our previous 05 tC).

Here is also what I know, my g/f walked a B16a1 equipped Teggy with header, intake, exhaust, light engine work with our stock tC. (a street race with our now 06 tC).


Some times I think my g/f can drag better than me, and I taught her how to drive stick....lol