Im sure most poeple have heard the news about his execution. Without arguing with each other, can people post if they were for it or against it. And why?

For me I was against it. Prison to me was made to rehabilitate citizens who have broken the law and make it safe for them to return to society. For those where that is not possible keep them in there for life. While "Tookie" was in jail he was nominated for 5 Nobel Peace Prizes, and 4 Nobel Literature Prizes because of what he spoke and wrote about. How many peoples words have such a great impact on others to recieve one of these nominations, let alone 9? Obviously what he was talking about rang truth to many and helped changed lives for the better. So I ask myself, why wasnt he granted clemency.......

 

all i know, that dude had the biggest arms i have ever seen.

i am for it. you kill someone, you should die.

 

Well he's dead now.

 

I'm neutral for the death penalty, but I was FOR the execution.

Getting nominated for the Nobel prize is quite easy, and is done so via MANY various sources. Has anyone actually READ his "books?" They are really quite awful. The people making the big hoopla about the nominations are his legal team and celebrities.

I totally understand why people are against the death penalty, and encourage people to voice themselves. But if you really look into the evidence and FACTS about "tookie," you'll find out what a scumbag he is. I really don't like that the majority of people who support him, actually think he's some kind of "good guy." He's not. Jamie Foxx is an actor, not a lawyer, not a historian, not even a relatively educated guy. He lies about who is for a living. Actors are the worst source of information. Period.

If you're against the death penalty so be it. Just don't defend this convicted criminal and murderer. You guys all turn him into some kind of hero.

If he really were innocent, they would be bringing up reasons why he had a mistrial, or what evidence was for him. They would not bring up peace prizes, which was, in fact a political STUNT by his legal team.

And a "rehabilitated citizen" would AT LEAST apologize, which he never did. He didn't shed one ounce of remorse to any of the victims.

 

And I'm neutral concerning the death penalty because:

1) We need a deterent for serious crimes.

2) Prove to me we have a viable, cost effective, feasible alternative that ensures an equal or greater amount of protection/deterrance as the death penalty, and I'll be for it.

3) (For those who argue the cost issue, and the value of a human life) Yes, you can put a price on the life of a human. Automobile accidents are the third largest killer of people IN THE WORLD. Accidents supercede war, terrorism, and executions all put together. In fact, executions make up but a tiny grain of deaths in the world. If you truly value life, you'd do your best to protect the greatest number of lives possible. . . and stopping the death penalty would really save but a few people.

If you were to limit all cars to spees of 20MPH and lower, you save MILLIONS of lives. Think about it. The cost? Probably in the BILLIONS of dollars. That's why we have a 65MPH speed limit. High enough to ensure efficient shipping times, but also fast enough to kill people EVERYDAY.

Think about that the next time you drive a car (if you are against the death penalty).

 

Actually, that's not true. Prison has been around for thousands of years. Believe me, those people weren't worried about rehabiliting anyone. You were locked up to be punished. You did something wrong, there was a price to pay. Because he committed a terrible crime. And according to the laws of the state, the punishment for that crime is death. I'm very glad that he had become a good person. I'm glad he reached out to help people and had turned his life around. But that doesn't change the fact that there are consequences to our actions.

 

^^^

 

Did he deserve the death penalty?......yes but its always sad to see a good person put to death.

RIP Richard Pryor + Tookie Williams

Also I am not suprised by Ahhnolds non grant....after all he is "The Terminator"

Glad he's not in charge of my state

 

I'm for it, we should be executing more criminals, all murderers, child molestors, rapists should be put to death immediately....
I'm sick of my taxes paying for these a-holes.

 

With appeals and all it costs more money to execute some one than to sentence tthem to life without parole. Not a good argument IMHO


My 51st post all i can say is thank you Scionlife for giving me this opportunity to say
Burn in hell Tookie

 

I vote that he should have been put out of our misery much much sooner.
Prisons are not for rehabilitation. Betty Ford Clinic is for that. Who knows how many people "Tookie" is responsible for killing? He founded the 'Crips', remember??? They don't ride bikes and hand out Bible tracs, you know..... He killed 4 people in cold blood... how many of you have stared down the business end of a loaded gun? I have and it will scare you more than anything else has in your life. To try to glorify this killer is just sad. HE had 24 years to prove he was a good little boy, he proved otherwise. Check out his prison record....He wasn't even rehabilitated to follow the simplist of rules.

 

1) He killed four.

2) He never admitted it or said he was sorry for his crimes.

3) The rest was a screen to get him out of the death penalty. As stated before, the Hollywood elite were using him in their anti-death penalty cause. A ghost writer wrote those books for him.

4) He's finally dead. Justice prevails.

 

Im with alot of others on here and i feel that he should have been killed as well. Killing 4 people seems small when you think of the other problem he "created" which of course as stated before is the crips. Even though hes een locked up for some time and even though hes now dead we are STILL and probably will be for a long time, dealing with a big problem that he created, the crips. And because of them theres other gangs, and then gang wars etc. Im not blaming him for all gangs but i think if yo ask anyone to name a gang the first 2 they think of are the bloods or the crips, he started a very well known gang and problem that we will have to live with for a very long time and like others said he never appologized once.


Jay

 

Since we're on the topic of people being responsible for others deaths. How many is our president responsible for?

 

i dont know much about tookies crime, but i'm not for the death penalty, because even if you killed the 2-3 million people that are in jail right now for every single offense, there would still be crime and murders.

i've always said, if the gun makers were held more liable for deaths, they would take better precautions and not allow the streets to get flooded with weapons.

If car makers, baby bottle makers, painters, etc are held liable for deaths, so should smith n wesson.

whats sad is that, now that he's dead, they'll have more books, movies, videogames about this guy, and neither his family nor the families of the victims will see a dime.

 

i also agree that actors/entertainers are most often a bad source for credibility on certain issues.

 

Yes, no matter how many convicted murderers you do put to death you will have crimes and murders... but not by these pieces of human debris.

There are too many wasteful lawsuits now for people suing because of stupidity. If a porduct is defective, then the manufacturer should be held responsible. But gun manufacturers should not be liable for misuse of their products.
Now if your Uzi jams repeatedly during drive-bys at the school playground and you have to double back, then you need to sue for a defective product. But you shouldn't be allowed to sue for misuse. That is plain stupid.

 

Well, I'm not a death penalty kinda of man. It's our current law and it is what it is. He killed others and they certainly had NO opportunity to "change"....

However, our current prison system does not punish as it should to remove the death penalty.

A person that kills another human on purpose (murder) should get a life sentence and work so friggin hard and long every day that they would BEG for the death penalty.

They need food, shelter and medical care - then work.

 

True dat, Jamie Fox, Jesse Jackson and others showed up at TO's 32nd Birthday party at the 40/40 club not too long before Tookie was injected.

 

No one deserves to be killed, not even a killer.