Tookie Execution
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Originally Posted by pdrizzle
No one deserves to be killed, not even a killer.
Sorry, I would have to say that since you (the killer, not you,personally
) thought it was fine to kill an innocent person, you have shown that you have complete disreguard for the sactity of human life. You have no place in society.
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Originally Posted by atodak
tell the families of the dead soldiers that this wartime we are in is justified.
Nice avatarpdrizz haha
Nice avatarpdrizz haha
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This isn't a thread about Bush, war or anything other than should an animal that murdered 4 innocent people because he wanted money for drugs should have gotten the sentence the law allowed for...
Please stop trying to skew it to your political hatred.
Please stop trying to skew it to your political hatred.
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Originally Posted by matt_a
Originally Posted by pdrizzle
No one deserves to be killed, not even a killer.
This is from an article on AlterNet, which I agree with:
Then there's the wide belief that death penalty provides closure for victim's families. That's even more questionable. The state killing of Williams will erase his life, but it can't totally erase the pain, rage, and grief that victim's survivors experience. That's simply too intense, and personal. The debate over Williams's fate is a textbook example of that.
The stepmother of Albert Owens, the 7-Eleven store clerk, and one of the four victims that Williams was convicted of gunning down, has publicly said that Williams must die, and that his death will bring relief for Owens's family. Though Owens's brother, Wayne, does not support clemency, he's just as vocal that his execution is "a no-win" situation for everyone. He has no plans to attend the execution.
Owens is no exception to the rule that murder victim's families routinely cork champagne at a killer's death. In 1995, reporters were stunned at the sight of a spirited demonstration by a contingent of family members and relatives of the murdered victims of at the federal prison Timothy McVeigh, the convicted Oklahoma City terror bomber, was scheduled for execution. They weren't there to revel in McVeigh's execution. They were there to condemn it. They bombarded President Clinton with letters and petitions demanding that he be spared.
They, and a spate of groups, such as Murder Victims' Families for Reconciliation actively crusade to scrap the death for any and all killers, and that includes those facing death for murdering their loved ones.
The stepmother of Albert Owens, the 7-Eleven store clerk, and one of the four victims that Williams was convicted of gunning down, has publicly said that Williams must die, and that his death will bring relief for Owens's family. Though Owens's brother, Wayne, does not support clemency, he's just as vocal that his execution is "a no-win" situation for everyone. He has no plans to attend the execution.
Owens is no exception to the rule that murder victim's families routinely cork champagne at a killer's death. In 1995, reporters were stunned at the sight of a spirited demonstration by a contingent of family members and relatives of the murdered victims of at the federal prison Timothy McVeigh, the convicted Oklahoma City terror bomber, was scheduled for execution. They weren't there to revel in McVeigh's execution. They were there to condemn it. They bombarded President Clinton with letters and petitions demanding that he be spared.
They, and a spate of groups, such as Murder Victims' Families for Reconciliation actively crusade to scrap the death for any and all killers, and that includes those facing death for murdering their loved ones.
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Originally Posted by atodak
Since we're on the topic of people being responsible for others deaths. How many is our president responsible for?
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Originally Posted by pdrizzle
Oh boy, this thread is spiraling downward quickly...
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New topic was started. Way to go Matt A.
Back to topic on killing never being justified.
There are times when killing others is justified. Here are when it is legal (and in my opinion morally justified to kill another human).
1) In self-defense
2) In War (against armed combatants)
3) As punishment in a Capitol Offense
4) In law enforcement when you or other is threatened with lethal force.
5) Euthanasia. When party is competent and wishes to die.
What do others think?
Back to topic on killing never being justified.
There are times when killing others is justified. Here are when it is legal (and in my opinion morally justified to kill another human).
1) In self-defense
2) In War (against armed combatants)
3) As punishment in a Capitol Offense
4) In law enforcement when you or other is threatened with lethal force.
5) Euthanasia. When party is competent and wishes to die.
What do others think?
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An eye for an eye is totally fair. However, I am completely against the death penalty for the simple reason that no systems is perfect and innocent people will die as a result of this policy. If even 1 INNOCENT person dies as a result of the death penalty, then that is 1 too many. Can you imagine how horrible it would be to die for a crime you didnt commit? *scary*
But in obvious cases where the person is guilty (ie 100 witnesses saw the crime), then I am all for the punishment.
But in obvious cases where the person is guilty (ie 100 witnesses saw the crime), then I am all for the punishment.
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I can see where a lot of people are coming from. But this quote has always been a truth to me.
"Why do we kill people who are killing people to show that killing people is wrong?"
Yea when someone does bad we think karma will re-pay them so to speak. And that since they did bad they deserve the same by the " do unto other what you would like have done to you" rule. But capitol punishment isnt a viable answer in my book. Yea Tookie could be bad but you just killed a mothers son, a brothers brother, Aunts nephew. Tookies family might have been great people and they just lost a loved one no matter how evil he could have been. And for that reason if there was a vote to abolish it I would vote to make sure that happened because my conscience couldnt be free knowing that the killers family would now have to feel pain. Let the killer spend the rest of his life in a 8 x 10 cell thinking about what he did. If he does change mentally then he should hate himself while he lives and to me thats fair payback.
"Why do we kill people who are killing people to show that killing people is wrong?"
Yea when someone does bad we think karma will re-pay them so to speak. And that since they did bad they deserve the same by the " do unto other what you would like have done to you" rule. But capitol punishment isnt a viable answer in my book. Yea Tookie could be bad but you just killed a mothers son, a brothers brother, Aunts nephew. Tookies family might have been great people and they just lost a loved one no matter how evil he could have been. And for that reason if there was a vote to abolish it I would vote to make sure that happened because my conscience couldnt be free knowing that the killers family would now have to feel pain. Let the killer spend the rest of his life in a 8 x 10 cell thinking about what he did. If he does change mentally then he should hate himself while he lives and to me thats fair payback.
