Yeah, gun control is using the basic fundamentals of shooting, and making sure you hit the "X" ring!

 

Definately right on the nose with that rebuttal.
Would you sue Scion if someone intentionally hit you with their Scion!

You sue manufacturers when the product is defective and does not perform as advertised. So since guns are designed to shoot people, how is that defective. Now if the gun blows up in your face, different story, then you have a legit lawsuit.

Squirrel. Hang in there. Hope your surgery goes well. Thanks for you service in dealing with the scumbags of the world.

 

I have 5 rifles, 3 shotguns, and 4 hanguns. Mine must all be trained really well because none of them have left the house and killed anyone. They pretty-much just sit there unless I take them to do something. Very lazy, unmotivated guns.

 

The funniest thing is that guy is from New York, wher gun control is in full effect and has failed miserably. I live in Texas, a right-to -carry state and our crime rate is going down. Whoda thunk it???

 

Mine leave the house frequently for exercise at the local range. They have only killed paper targets. I can guarantee they would kill any armed intruders to my house.

Springfield M1A (M14)
Mossberg 12 guage shotgun (combat grip and setup)
Springfield 1911A1 45 WWII edition(with carbine conversion unit)
Berreta 9mm 92FS with crimson trace laser site
1861 Navy Colt (firing replica)
Brownbess Musket (firing replica)

 

Joehnn Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject:

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Scott17 wrote:
DjCarlitoRoc wrote:
i dont know much about tookies crime, but i'm not for the death penalty, because even if you killed the 2-3 million people that are in jail right now for every single offense, there would still be crime and murders.

i've always said, if the gun makers were held more liable for deaths, they would take better precautions and not allow the streets to get flooded with weapons.

If car makers, baby bottle makers, painters, etc are held liable for deaths, so should smith n wesson.

whats sad is that, now that he's dead, they'll have more books, movies, videogames about this guy, and neither his family nor the families of the victims will see a dime.
I think this is one of the most assinine comments I have ever read on this forum! You think it's Smith & Wessons fault that criminals kill people? What if the criminal used a claw hammer or baseball bat? Should Stanley and Louisville Slugger be dragged into court for a frivilous, time-consuming, and EXPENSIVE lawsuit that has no legal or even logical merit? This is just ____-poor thinking! Guns don't kill people, criminals do! Place the blame where it lies and don't blame a legal, lawful. long-standing well respected American company for some criminals actions. I happen to be a lawful gun owner and shooting sports enthusiast and my guns haven't killed anyone. I have some really nice Smith & Wesson firearms and don't appreciate having to pay so much extra in the price of a gun to cover the costs incurred by uninformed tree-hugging liberals who spout the same drivel as you just did. And as for Tookie, what you give is what you get. His only remorse was that he got caught.


Definately right on the nose with that rebuttal.
Would you sue Scion if someone intentionally hit you with their Scion!

You sue manufacturers when the product is defective and does not perform as advertised. So since guns are designed to shoot people, how is that defective. Now if the gun blows up in your face, different story, then you have a legit lawsuit.

Squirrel. Hang in there. Hope your surgery goes well. Thanks for you service in dealing with the scumbags of the world.





I was just wondering if yall can see my posts......

 

I didn't say a word about the president, except for when I said I liked the picture of him in my avatar.

 

djct_watt ain't no dummy! hahaha I am neutral when it comes to the death penalty as government policy as well. (My personal philosophy is against killing in any form, but since it would never be possible for everyone to share my beliefs, I try to approach the subjust with as much logic as possible). I'd say djct_watt has used the most logic and information in this whole thread.

I have a question that might rile up certain people and start up another thread. Where are all the conservative religious groups? If they are so religious and stick to the Bible word-for-word, why didn't they protest against Tookie's execution? Doesn't the Bible say to love their enemies and forgive all. Let he who has never sinned throw the first stone.....so, on and so forth. Sometimes it seems the religious right likes to pick and choose their battles just to gain political power rather than any kind of moral conviction Uh oh, should I not have said that?

And about the rehabilition and repeat offenders, all I have to say is that a large majority has to do with drug addiction. I guess that's for another topic....

 

Wow....how many topics do you want to discuss in a single post?
I would consider myself a religious conservative, so I'll try to answer your question. Please keep in mind that I am only speaking for myself, not anyone else.
I believe the Bible is God's word and I also believe in capital punishment. Here is why:
The Bible clearly states that Kings and the heads of state have been put into place according to God's will. They have the power to rule with earthly authority. The laws that are put into place by our governmental system are to be followed as long as it doesn't contradict scripture. While it's true that we are to forgive and if we ask for forgiveness from God with a truely repentant heart, He will forgive us, it is also true that our sins have consequenses. Jesus wasn't saying that all criminals should just be forgiven without punishment or penalty.
You know, you make a point about most religious conservatives being for capital punishment. Now let me ask you this: Why is it that many of the people who will fight to save the life of a convicted killer are also pro-choice when it comes to killing an innocent baby?

 

Sorry missed that one. Pretty good.

 

Well, the pro-choice and the anti-capital punishment protesters are not neccessarily the same peopl. There may be overlap, but they don't all neccessarily fall back on the same religious/moral platform. I mean, one can be pro-choice and pro-death penalty for non-religious reasons. On the other hand, I find it hard to understand why someone would be anti-abortion for religious reasons, yet at the same time be pro-death penalty.

 

Again, I am one of those people. For me, it's quite simple. The convicted murderer had a choice. He had a chance to live and lead a good life. He chose to kill.
The unborn baby who is killed during an abortion is innocent and does not have a choice or a say in the matter.

 

I don't fit that group, but here goes:

Anti-abortion - ending an innocent life for convenience.
Pro-death penalty - ending an evil life through due process of law.

 

Any self-proclaimed "Christian" (or any other religios title for that matter) who condones the killing of others isn't a true Christian, no matter what you as an individual believe.

 

That's a pretty inflammatory statement to make. Have you ever actually read the Bible? I am a Christian because I believe Jesus is exactly who he said he is, and because I have accepted the sacrifice he made on my behalf....period. The subject of capital punishment is a matter of state law. (see my previous posts on how that ties in).

 

Not sure what most religious people believe fully but I do know Nuns are held with high respect when it comes to obeying the church laws, and there was one that wanted to save Tookie and tried to console him in his time of death. Also from what I gathered in my 9 years of catholic school education is that you must love everyone because we are all gods creation. For those who sin and go against his wishes you must still love them, for it is gods job to punish them for their sins when they die and go to see him, or to eternal damnation, AKA hell.

 

With a 20 year wait to be executed, yes it costs more. They are much more efficient in Texas. I think the wait time is about a month or something.

 

I did a little research, and I guess I was wrong about all Christian groups. Apparanetly Catholics are supposed to be against abortion AND capital punishment as well as war....

In the end, I guess no matter what side anyone is on, they'll always be able rationalize with themselves for whatever it is they want to believe. Abortion, death penalty, war, whatever.

 

I'm a rather religious person in my own respects (I'm Mormon) and I'm somewhat a supporter of the Death Penalty. In the case of Tookie, I feel it was justified. I fail to see where the Bible says that crime should go unpunished. Yeah you should forgive people by not holding grudges but that still should not exempt them from punishment. One of the Commandments strictly states that "Thou shall not kill", he obviously didn't live by that Commandment. Without laws you have anarchy, the Commandments are God's Law. If every crime was met by forgiveness, then when would people learn? You'd have nothing but people running around killing each other going *BANG* "Oh forgive me"

 

Hey, I like to stake my claim as a Christian, but everyone knows that you are to be responsible for your actions here on earth. I can forgive tootie for what he did. And if he did indeed repent, the God has forgiven him as well. But that does not absolve him of the crimes he committed.