Tookie Execution
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Originally Posted by smokeydog001
I thought this was a forum for Scion and other auto enthusists, not a soapbox for gays, anti-death penality nuts, Bush bashers, and other hate mongering left wing psycos and anti-American misfits. I think some of ya'll would feel more at home at:http://moveon.org/ ,
http://www.aclu.org/, or
http://www.queernationusa.org/index.html
Flame away yankers! 
btw, you shouldn't be "flamed" for your opinion; nor should anyone else....but if i were of a "flamer" ilk, (and i'm not), i'd just say this....
the floor has heard from the representative from critter's corner, tennessee.
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Originally Posted by slboettcher
Hmmm. Sounds like you ARE a flamer...
Scott
Scott
i had to believe that he was kidding to avoid cognitive dissonance....i mean really, who believes those adjectives in this century? bush-bashers, hate mongering left wing psychos, anti-American misfits....if he was not kidding, that means there are archetypical people who "literally" believe that stuff. they see the world that way. that is scary to me.
criminy, archie bunker called, he wants his favorite chair back.
i'm clearly not an "anti-death penalty nut" (read my earlier posts)....but some freakin' acceptance of views other than one's own seems appropriate. no need to throw out the whole "if you disagree with me you hate america" card. that rhetoric doesn't serve to make me open to listen to one's argument. it kinda makes me discount them as fanatic, ill-informed and quite honestly, ignorant.
i wasn't speaking about any individuals in this post, i was illustrating my overall concern about people who believe that how they see the world is the right way to see the world.
we're all doomed.
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Originally Posted by surfcity40
... but do believe there is room for people who don't have the same views as me.
...there are archetypical people who "literally" believe that stuff. they see the world that way. that is scary to me....
...criminy, archie bunker called, he wants his favorite chair back.
....but some freakin' acceptance of views other than one's own seems appropriate.... it kinda makes me discount them as fanatic, ill-informed and quite honestly, ignorant.
...there are archetypical people who "literally" believe that stuff. they see the world that way. that is scary to me....
...criminy, archie bunker called, he wants his favorite chair back.
....but some freakin' acceptance of views other than one's own seems appropriate.... it kinda makes me discount them as fanatic, ill-informed and quite honestly, ignorant.
I rest my case! 
Would the gentleman from Hypocrite County, California just chill, now that he has demonstrated that liberalism is a mental disorder?
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First of all, I think whoever moderates the Off-Topic section should get double of whatever they get for moderating. Second, this thread reminds me of why I like the sub-headline on another forum I go to... it reads:
The Lounge
Discuss anything except, Politics, Religion, or Personal Computing Platforms.
(It's very effective at minimalizing online ____ing contests like these.)
The Lounge
Discuss anything except, Politics, Religion, or Personal Computing Platforms.
(It's very effective at minimalizing online ____ing contests like these.)
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Tookie - Tried by 12, carried by 6 and toasted by 1. Then dumped over his mother land from a plane. They could have saved alot of time and money if they just pushed him out of a plane 25 years ago.
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Originally Posted by oldmanatee
Yeah, we don't need to let other people speak their minds.... 
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Originally Posted by oldmanatee
Yeah, we don't need to let other people speak their minds....
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Originally Posted by rolstc
who the hell is tookie ??
and also, atodak i love the clip of kobe gettn slizzaped around. i think im gonna add that to mine.
and also, atodak i love the clip of kobe gettn slizzaped around. i think im gonna add that to mine.
j/kThe dude that was executed in Cali a few weeks ago with cracked out Snoop-puppy and the con man with no church Rev Jessie saying he is a new man and should be spared.
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Man, I think 2 pages got added since i started reading...
First, I'll say I am for the death penalty. I have been on a jury that gave the death penalty to a very deserving scumbag, (IMO and the 11 others on my jury - the first jury found him guilty but deadlocked on the penalty). Just because it doesn't deter EVERYONE from killing doesn't mean it isn't a deterrent to others. If anything, the 20 year lag time is what weakens it as a deterrent.
The fact that Tookie wrote children's books to try and keep kids out of gangs is great. I also think that giving him the Death Penalty rather than clemency is a much more poignant ending to the story. Live by the sword, die by the sword. teach kids that they can do the most evil deeds and get away with it by being "sorry" will have the exact opposite effect...
Every defense attorney knows all the tricks to make your client appear to be human. Doesn't make it true.
It is the will of the People of California that the Death Penalty be enforced. How does a few letters opposing it bridge that gap? The Governator was elected to carry out the will of the people and he did.
Regarding the Megan's Law stuff, I think that those kind of crimes, especially against children, should also be grounds for the Death Penalty. There is very little rehab going on there and that would solve the repeat offender issue.
I do agree with djct_watt that these kind of issues get much more attention than they deserve when compared with other losses of life. It's a hot-button issue with no chance of finding common ground just like the abortion topic...
I have a funny feeling this topic isn't going away anytime soon...
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/n...ed_to_increase
First, I'll say I am for the death penalty. I have been on a jury that gave the death penalty to a very deserving scumbag, (IMO and the 11 others on my jury - the first jury found him guilty but deadlocked on the penalty). Just because it doesn't deter EVERYONE from killing doesn't mean it isn't a deterrent to others. If anything, the 20 year lag time is what weakens it as a deterrent.
The fact that Tookie wrote children's books to try and keep kids out of gangs is great. I also think that giving him the Death Penalty rather than clemency is a much more poignant ending to the story. Live by the sword, die by the sword. teach kids that they can do the most evil deeds and get away with it by being "sorry" will have the exact opposite effect...
Every defense attorney knows all the tricks to make your client appear to be human. Doesn't make it true.
It is the will of the People of California that the Death Penalty be enforced. How does a few letters opposing it bridge that gap? The Governator was elected to carry out the will of the people and he did.
Regarding the Megan's Law stuff, I think that those kind of crimes, especially against children, should also be grounds for the Death Penalty. There is very little rehab going on there and that would solve the repeat offender issue.
I do agree with djct_watt that these kind of issues get much more attention than they deserve when compared with other losses of life. It's a hot-button issue with no chance of finding common ground just like the abortion topic...
I have a funny feeling this topic isn't going away anytime soon...
Calif. executions expected to increase
SACRAMENTO, CA, United States (UPI) -- California is preparing to carry out death sentences at a pace unseen in more than a generation.
Quadruple murderer Stanley Tookie Williams -- executed this month -- was the 12th inmate executed in California since voters reinstated capital punishment nearly three decades ago. Next year alone, four inmates could enter the execution chamber, the Sacramento Bee reported Monday.
With more than 640 inmates sentenced to execution, California has the largest death row in the nation.
The newspaper said the era of multiple executions will likely test the moral and political pulse of Californians, whose support of the death penalty is strong but is showing signs of waning.
More than 70 percent of voters approved reinstatement of the death penalty in 1978. Last year, 68 percent of California voters voiced their support of the death penalty, according to the nonpartisan Field Poll. That number, though significant, was actually down from the 83 percent of Californians who supported capital punishment in 1986, the newspaper said.
SACRAMENTO, CA, United States (UPI) -- California is preparing to carry out death sentences at a pace unseen in more than a generation.
Quadruple murderer Stanley Tookie Williams -- executed this month -- was the 12th inmate executed in California since voters reinstated capital punishment nearly three decades ago. Next year alone, four inmates could enter the execution chamber, the Sacramento Bee reported Monday.
With more than 640 inmates sentenced to execution, California has the largest death row in the nation.
The newspaper said the era of multiple executions will likely test the moral and political pulse of Californians, whose support of the death penalty is strong but is showing signs of waning.
More than 70 percent of voters approved reinstatement of the death penalty in 1978. Last year, 68 percent of California voters voiced their support of the death penalty, according to the nonpartisan Field Poll. That number, though significant, was actually down from the 83 percent of Californians who supported capital punishment in 1986, the newspaper said.
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Originally Posted by oldmanatee
I say we have a house cleanin!
I just love Texas. That state knows how to let people live free in the state and no messing around on death row.