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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 04:25 PM
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Just because he rides horses and not interns doesn't make him a cowboy.
hes more like the clown that distracts the bulls at rodeos
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 04:29 PM
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Reaganomics is also the cause of the decline of the middle class manufacturing class in America. It was his policies that a) sent good paying manufacturing jobs overseas, b) caused the largest increase in government spending since ever with the arms race, which also bankrupted practically an entire nation, which also, coincidently is responsible for the disaray in the Soviet army, which also puts the potential for Nukes to be sold to terrorists (if it hasn't already happened) and c) caused the growth of the widest seperation of rich and poor since before the middle class was created.
Bankrupted the entire nation? Really? I must have missed that.
As for the rest of your comments, I'm not quite sure how to take them. You almost sound like you would prefer for the communist Soviet Union to be back full-strength. Maybe we should rebuild the Berlin Wall too? This division between social classes you talk about is a natural by-product of a democratic free enterprise economy. How would you propose we even things out, comrade?
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 04:30 PM
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He's smart enuff to get a job you or I can't.....

I try not to talk about subjects I don't have all the facts on. W seems to have gotten thru college with higher scores than your Mr. Kerry had.

And no using the tired old 'his father helped' line, ok? After 6 or so years, surely yall can come up with a better jab.
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 05:24 PM
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Bankrupted the entire nation? Really? I must have missed that.
Yeah you did. The Russian Army was completely unable to pay it's soldiers for quite awhile. As a result, they made ends meet in other ways, namely by selling arms to anyone with the brief case full of cash. In addition, the Russian mafia grew into a very volatile force.

You almost sound like you would prefer for the communist Soviet Union to be back full-strength.
In light of the reprecussions that occured, that might not have been such a bad alternative. But then again, maybe it was a necessary step to sort of reset things a bit. One things for sure, the warlords in Africa are infintly better off with their Russian arms than without them. So who knows.

Maybe we should rebuild the Berlin Wall too?
No.

This division between social classes you talk about is a natural by-product of a democratic free enterprise economy. How would you propose we even things out, comrade?
It's only natural because the Reagan era made it economically better for companies like Fruit of the Loom and many others to start making their wears in China and Taiwan, lay off hundreds of thousands of Americans making decent middle class wages, effectively and completely turning entire cities into ghost towns, causing one of the biggest real estate busts in the century due to the plethera of bankrupcies, and at the same time increasing average CEO pay multiples of 10.

My solution would have been to not make it such a drastic transition.

He's smart enuff to get a job you or I can't.....
Lucky sperm club. Connections are more important for politics than brains. If you have any doubts as to intellegence, I offer: "Stragerery". Or you can just sit and listen to the man speak for about 10 min. He stumbles over his words (the real and made up ones), and is constantly looking for a sentence or phrase to answer a question. And when he can't answer the question, he resorts to a grab bag of talking points.

W seems to have gotten thru college with higher scores than your Mr. Kerry had.
Why do you assume that Kerry is my man? The world is a vast spectrum of colors, not black and white. Just because I question what one so called leader does, doesn't mean I automatically jump on another so called leader's bandwagon.

And no using the tired old 'his father helped' line, ok? After 6 or so years, surely yall can come up with a better jab.
Better than the truth? That's like saying, "can you come up with another reason as to why the sky is blue other than the scattering of lightwaves with blue having the shortest light wave of visible light and thus getting the least amount of scattering causing us to see the sky in blue spectrum?" Sure, you can make up other reasons, like "it's because you see the reflection of the sea, that's why it's blue." There is no better answer than the truth.
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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So, you are saying that his father made his teachers give him passing grades? Sorry, I can't fall for that theory.

Sure, W has trouble with the English language, but for people to continously relate him to a retard is just plain stupid. The man has done some good . We are still a free country. You have a job, I have a job, 96% of America has a job, I see no ghost towns.
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 06:12 PM
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Ronald Reagan by a landslide. Bill Clinton does have Charisma. He's a likable guy...like someone you could hang with and he'd make you laugh alot. But he did a lousy job as pres and pretty-much disgraced the oval office. Reagan had class. He commanded a respect for the Pesidency and he was a master at reaching "both sides".
reagan is the DEVIL
i vote kennedy
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 06:14 PM
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BILL CLINTON ROCKS MY SOX....Hillary in 2008 hellz yeah biatches...bring that family back into power hehe.

the Bush family can go jump off a bridge
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 06:15 PM
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So, you are saying that his father made his teachers give him passing grades? Sorry, I can't fall for that theory.
The hardest part about Yale is getting in. Once there, with proper fraternal support (test and HW files, study groups and the like), a "C" average wouldn't be that difficult.

Sure, W has trouble with the English language, but for people to continously relate him to a retard is just plain stupid.
Ok, he's not a re-re, but folks expect more out of the office than not being the kid on the short bus.

The man has done some good . We are still a free country. You have a job, I have a job, 96% of America has a job
To me, that's a rather low set of expectations. More Americans live below the poverty line today than ever before, and greater than 50 million Americans have zero health insurance. Throw in the underinsured, and the number swells to over 100 million, or close to half the population. That is a direct result of the country moving from a manufacturing labor base to a service labor base.

I see no ghost towns.
Drive through the midwest. Due to the midwest values, cheap land, access to rail and port, and being in the middle of the country, it was a huge manufacturing base in the country. Much have that was destroyed in the 80's. Also, a lot of the country has rebounded from the economic repression of the 80's. But, there are still many many places that have not. However, that was attributed to Reagan's war on the middle class, not Bush's incompetence.
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 06:18 PM
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Well, it looks like we just have 1 thing we can agree on in this debate....we only have 2 more years before someone either better or worse is in the big chair...
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 06:29 PM
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clinton. my dad met with him once too.
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 06:41 PM
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Well all things considered, since most of the peeps here are in their 20's. The majority of them are gonna remember CLinton, for his Executive Secretary. Whereas Bush Sr. is noted for involving us in the first Iraq war, Desert Strorm/Shield. Bush Jr. is following close behind daddy's footsteps, with the 2nd Iraq War. (I'm a Veteran I support what we're doing, the method is getting alittle jacked up tho)
Ronnie Raygun, was best known for StarWars programs, and hamming it up agains Gorbechev. and Carter....look at his daughter....that guys just doomed to have ugly kids. So after all that...Im gonna have to root for Ronald Regan, good movie actor, took a bullet, survived an assasination, and dogged the USSR constantly.
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 06:43 PM
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Dwatts, thanks for your service and Happy Birthday....
Old Dec 29, 2006 | 06:46 PM
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Dwatts, thanks for your service and Happy Birthday....
Thankya X's 2.
Old Dec 30, 2006 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by matt_a
Ronald Reagan by a landslide. Bill Clinton does have Charisma. He's a likable guy...like someone you could hang with and he'd make you laugh alot. But he did a lousy job as pres and pretty-much disgraced the oval office. Reagan had class. He commanded a respect for the Pesidency and he was a master at reaching "both sides".
Reagan? I disagree based on Iran/Contra and the Deficit he created. Way too conservative. Not crokked like the Bushes, but to extreme in his approach to government and too liberal with his spending of my tax dollars. (Funny how people claim the Dems are too spendy when it has been the Republicans running up the tally for the past twenty-five years)

Reagan had charisma like no other President. But we wasn't even in the top 2 in my book. He brought down Communism (temporarily it might seem) but buried the US financially under huge debt in doing so.

President Clinton’s only character issue was cheating on his wife. Big issue, in my book, but he did nothing to the detriment of the people as Chief Executive. As effective as he was, all while fighting off Gingrich and Starr, should amaze most Americans.

President Ford would have been my number two on that list, had he been included.
Old Dec 30, 2006 | 05:52 PM
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All this Bush bashing...

I wonder where Sadaam would be if we never went to war?

Anyone...Anyone...
Old Dec 30, 2006 | 06:07 PM
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"Mr. Gorbechev, tear down this wall! Reagan smash! Reagan smash!" LOLZ. but in all honesty, clinton is the man. im mean come on, you all cant deny the excellent job he did bringing our economy into a surplus.
Old Dec 30, 2006 | 06:20 PM
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i'm with the gipper.
Old Dec 30, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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I'm sure Hillary can ride a horse.
Old Dec 30, 2006 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dskinner
All this Bush bashing...

I wonder where Sadaam would be if we never went to war?

Anyone...Anyone...
Who knows, but I doubt seriuosly that he'd be in an in the midlle of an fleet trying to take down the Statue of Liberty. But then again, where would our economy be today if we weren't 10 trillion in debt? Or better yet, where would Bin Laden be today if we hadn't been distracted with overthrowing a soveriegn nation?

Anyone? Anyone?



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