ROFLMAO! What a pathetic bunch of "86" fanboi apologists...


5 seconds a lap? Must be the tires... LOL!

 

^Cool story bro. Once you know the power numbers that does play a good part of the time difference.

 

Why are you guys even talking about this???



Give the BRZ the same tires what the Si runs on and it would beat the ____ out of it. And even the close time lapse sounds fishy.. Yes... same hp...same weight but the brz corners much much better.

 

^According to others that's a sin to do with the Toyobaru. I just find it funny for the car stock it does well while the others need some suspension modifications and stickier rubber to be on par or edge out it out(or a turbo to boost power to 265HP).

 

Stop while your not ahead!

 

An Automatic BRZ is not going to chase down a turbo 265hp car regardless if it's FWD or not, no more than a stock Elise trying to chase down a 300hp Scion around a track.

 

Careful now, you're speaking with common sense. You're gonna scare him away again.

 

Ooops...lol.

 

lol yeah that review was a fail. The automatic is about a close to a sec slower than the manual and all the reviews show it. Same thing when they took a auto brz/frs and pitted against the s2k. the s2k put up 15 sec and the auto put up 15.9 i think...if it was the manual it prolly wud have evened out.

 

You just can't help yourself, can you? You had to slip in the "Automatic" bit even knowing that it makes very little, if any, difference and certainly no where near 5 seconds per lap. You just had to at least imply that a manual "86" (BRZ/FRS/GT86) would be "an entirely different story".

Maybe you can find a 86 lap time from the same track but under much faster track conditions and use that to "prove" that the 86 isn't 5 seconds slower per lap than a French FWD hatchback. Worked for the HFP SI right? At least your fellow fanbois bought it.

P.S. Thanks for giving Jon his much-needed reach-around. He needs the reassurance.

 

Why do you have to bring up another car? This thread is basically FRS Vs SI.. The "Honda" is coming out of you. If they had the turbo hatch vs the SI, I Wouldn't be Suprised if you would still pick the SI and Complain on how the hatch is Turbo.

 

... and the 86 fanboi circle-jerk doesn't miss a beat...

Why is it so hard to admit that despite it's excellent RWD chassis the "86" is simply too underpowered to compete with anything faster than a MX5? It's not the tires, it's not the transmission, it's the anemic 2.0L boxer with only 150 lbs of tq that makes the 86 so slow.

 

Now your reminding me of a Volkswagen owner. You simply don't understand that the 86 has ALOT of potential. Miatas are only good for GoKart tracks..Torque doesn't matter on a lighter car! The s2k is making 150 pounds of torque also! Elise Have only a 1.8 making about 138 hp and are still good track cars..Unlike volkswagens their 2.0 to make 200hp require a turbo.Don't be mad at Toyota for bringing out some competition.

 

You're more than twice the age of those you argue with and still as immature as anyone you pathetically attempt to correct. You've shown you don't know much about the subject at hand and that you don't like the car. Why you keep posting is beyond me. Oh wait yes I do, you're too insecure to admit you are wrong with your misinformed assumptions. Got it.

Trying to get you to understand the concept of this car is like trying to teach a toddler molecular biology. They're just not going to get it. The only thing you're able to grasp is how fast you can go from point to point. Newsflash, Gramps, this isn't a muscle car. It isn't fast and I haven't seen anyone claim it to be. This car is about navigating corners, not barreling down a straight. But I know the only tracks you're familiar with all have a tree and a water box.

 

I wasn't implying that the manual would beat it either. Calm down...another assumption just because I didn't blatantly say it.

Faster track conditions? Wow....that's got to be the funniest thing I've heard yet. It beat the HFP SI by .3 tenths of a second due to faster "track conditions". That's Classic...bhahahahaaaa! This isn't a damn Drag strip where some might be better prepped with VHT. You need to gain some experience when it comes to a road course before you speak about it.

 

Last time I checked, that's EXACTLY what it was suppose to compete with... The HFP SI is slower, so the only reason to buy it over a Twin, would be because of Honda loyalty (that and if you actually think it looks better).

 

So on the Money there.

 

No one here is mad that toyota released the car. Where did you get that from? Infact, the more cool cars that come out, the more COOLER cars are going to come out. It just needs more power. Not aftermarket power. You should not have to mod your car to get it to be a good car. This RWD breed has ALL been done before. RX8, s2k, miata, porsche 944 turbo s, 240, ect ect. My turbo 944 s was cranking 250hp, 50/50 weight distro, and had back seats. WHY cant they give this car what it needs? Toyota, is playing it "safe" and not willing to let their nuts hang.

A car should not need "potential". It should come out of the box ready to rock. Your statement of torque does not matter on a lighter car is coming off as completely ignorant to the fact of what makes a good sports car a good sports car. The car has to be well rounded, not handicapped in a section where it does matter. Torque DOES matter. HP does matter, braking matters, suspension matters. It ALL matters.

This car is not the ariel atom. Its not a "track only" car. The thing is made for the STREETS (and is versatile on the track) but should be designed as such - to drive on the road. When your friends mom beats you in a light to light fun run in a mini-van, you start to re-evaluate your purchase. I dont know how many more times I have to say it - I like the car. I like the design (i think its beautiful) but the car needs more guts. Thats it, plain and simple. Would 30 more hp factory kill the car? I could afford the price hike it would cost, but I shouldnt need the help of the aftermarket to obtain what would make a decent car, a great car. Does that make sense yet?

 

I don't mind this car not having as much torque.. It would probably start to drift if it had 200lbs of torque with the 200hp.. Making your ep3 really slow Cus it has about 130lbs of torque..Not sure why you ended up buying it..cause it deff lacks torque..making the tc beyond better because it has 163lbs of torque..VTEC this.

 

I can imagine if it came as you described it, it would be $30k+ and out of the reach of more than most at $24k. It wasn't made to compete with the 370z. Why don't you go buy one of those if you want the extra power? Or a GC V6? The original AE86 didn't have a bunch of power either, or did you forget this car was made in the image of the AE86.