torqueTc

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Whos ep3 has 130 tq?????? Not mine. Maybe you didnt stalk me enough to know mine is turbo charged. Your living a pipe dream mr. drift master - I could care less about what your saying about my ep3. I also have a scion tc which is much faster than yours, and two honda streetbikes that would rip your car in half. Cars are not fast to me. Maybe if you had a 180hp 430lb streetbike you would understand.

I put up challenge to you specifically in the "my vehicle is faster than your vehicle" category if you want to have your ego busted if you want to run your camry/tc against the "130tq" ep3. Just show up to PA, whenever you want. Until then, you can keep running your mouth like a kid - or show up. Your choice, but I am sure Ill never catch you in harrisburg. All this over your mad that I said the FRS needs more HP? Lol at you, and get a life. I hope you show up. Even putting this out there so there is no twisting of words:

Ill give little frankieetc $500 if you can pull on my ep3 with your scion tc that has your name on the title. Its written on here... take me up on the offer.

TotalChaos

Well put. When I read over these posts, this is all I am thinking! It just could be better and that's it. I want to see what the FR-S looks like in 3 more model years, unless Toyota follows the path of the tC and not really change it for nearly 5-6 years! I can only bet the motor will get better since it is a brand new motor (if I have heard correctly). Any mods can make a car better. The tC was released and underpowered, heck, still is even in 2012. How do you not make 200 hp from a 4 banger at this point, esp for a "sportier" car? Oh well, I like my tC, I would like a FR-S, and I am a Scion fan in general. That's not to say I don't love other cars.

frankiietc

I'm talking about stock cars dude..why did you buy it knowing it was handicapped when it comes to torque? Yeah , your bikes and turbo ep3 will smoke me. My tc stock is simply faster than your ep3 if it was stock. We both have the same 160hp but not the same torque. All of a sudden torque matters to the Honda boys. Race my tc with your ep3 stock..would mind taking those 500 lol

torqueTc

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Because I didnt buy it brand new????? If I am buying a brand new car, it better be exactly what I want. I bought it as a beater, then got sucked into playing with it. Just like every single one of my cars I promised myself I wouldnt mod.

Again homey - your in a pipe dream. My cars are not stock, (nor my bikes) and you want to run them stock vs stock?? whats wrong with you? Run heads up, put my built cars against yours. You dont have to pay me a nickle when I win, and Ill cover your trip if you can pull on me. Have fun thinking your stock tc is big/bad. I had the same car as you, and I can tell you unless turbo'd, tc's aint nothing. Do you think I would take all my parts off, and detune my car just to give you a spanking? Why are you saying "if you make YOUR car this way, id race you?" I didnt say that to you - I have no idea whats done to your car - bring it, run it, and see whats up.

frankiietc

Back on topic..does torque matter or not?

torqueTc

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Also - last post on this thread since this is getting stupid.

Stock ep3 times are 15.7 (not a fast car, nor did I ever say it was stock - not sure how _my_ model of car got drug into this from some idiot)

Stock MANUAL tc is 15.7 from car and driver, and the auto is 16.0 (now if you want to argue over a .1 of a second, have at it frankieewhatever)
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...cion-tc-page-1

So how is your car faster again? Your car is heavier, and the power band is different. The gearing on the ep3 is pretty sweet, where your going to need to shift into 4th to cross the line (3rd with my tc being supercharged) and thus, you slow your quarter speed needing that extra shift.


Please please please - show me where your scion tc is much faster than my lil ep3. Now that your done running your mouth, I will stop.

frankiietc

And what does that come to show?!? A car with the same horsepower less torque can keep up with a car that has a little more torque... Meaning the FRS is lighter, same HP, less torque.. Using your logic, the FRS is faster than the SI! I win lol

torqueTc

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Didnt you just argue the other way around??? You know, about how your "more torque tc" was faster? Can you pick something and stick with it mr. wishy washy?

Faster than a stock 10 year older civic? I hope so. I really really would hope so. My point to you genius, was that you called out the oh-so-powerful stock tc, saying how you would win a race, stock vs stock against my beater car.

No one cars how fast the FRS is vs my ep3. Not even me. You like to twist things, try and bait people into an argument, then cry when you realize the vehicle you own just sucks. Funny thing is, the FRS (which ive seen numerous vids of it at the track now) is STILL slower than my 10 year old ep3 hatch.

Thats WHATS WRONG WITH THE FRS DUMMY! It needs that extra 20-30hp. Dont you get it yet? You cant argue yourself out of a wet paper bag. If you just spend 27k out the door on your FRS, wouldnt you be mad if a cavalier was passing you and you were trying?

frankiietc

Sorry your rubbing the Honda on me=sometimes torque doesn't matter and all of a sudden it does..I'm talking about the new SI..no I wouldnt be mad..because I know I would get him in the turns with the frs..

Jon

At it's price point, and because of other cars in it's segment, the power is not insufficient. People are just mad because they didn't get their Supra days back with this car. You can't compare it to a Porsche since it doesn't cost Porsche money. I find it odd however that no one complains about the power output of the Miata or RX8. And people seem to conveniently forget the S2K was $35k in its last year. At that price, only 240hp is something more legitimate to complain about.

No car is perfect, at least that the average Joe can afford. Either you're going to dish out the money for a superior performance car, or you're going to have to settle with something that may not get everything right. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Based on this logic, I could name something wrong with nearly every sports car under $50k. And what about all the older sports cars? I guess the 240Z was crap too? It only made 150hp/140tq. What about the original AE? The Celica Supra? The FC RX7?

If stop light racing is a big factor in your purchase, the simple sports car isn't for you. Anyone can race in a straight line and you don't need a sports car to do it. I'd just buy a Cummins Ram and beat you while leaving you in a cloud of smoke.

As I said, if you want power you're in the wrong segment. The car is decent as it is. I doubt all the reviews are wrong in choosing it over the car they're comparing it too. Again it's not fast, and it's not perfect. But compared to the other options (new only) at this moment in time, it's right where it should be.

torqueTc

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Yes, youll always get him "in the turns". Just watch out spraying your nos too early. Wouldnt want you blowing an irrelevant metal panel out of the passenger side of your car, bro.

frankiietc

Suspension must always be faster than the engine!..
What is your point on that comment ? Last time I checked, most people that use nos are Hondas.

torqueTc

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OK - so what are the exact number of honda nos users VS. toyota nos users? Did you get that number from books in the library? Where are you basing your "facts" from? You are so blinded by this honda thing it makes you look stupid. We get it, you dont like honda. You think one economy auto maker is supreme to another? Tell us how you really feel! Dude.. put the keys to your camry down, and walk away. You took this in a direction that makes you look like a special olympics champion. I mean, I get it - your twenty years old, finally get a car, and think its the baddest camry out there. We got you... You want to race people stock for stock, and - they cant have any upgrades, or a better car - or you will run away. You have a HUGE mouth, no ***** to back up your swag, and you only own one vehicle.. what are you, poor?

"Suspension must be faster then the engine?" how are you judging that, and what gives you ANY credentials to make this statement? What type of engineer are you, and what is your position at road and track or car and driver? I missed where they put you in the credits each month in the mags. That argument is made for someone who has an underpowered car. In reality - you want your suspension to EQUAL the performance of the motor. You want a perfect balance, not a lopsided car.

Either way, honestly - before I keep making you look stupid (which, your doing a GREAT job of yourself btw) I am going to stop. I have been a member of this website for 7 years, and can not believe I got drug into a tard fight with you. Like I keep saying champ - open invite, bring your camry down, and every single one of my four vehicles will take a dump ALL over you, and you'll like it. Your turning this into something its not, internet bragging about a car you DONT have, and most likely, your poor self will never be able to afford. Your a joke of an enthusiast, and are making tc owners look bad. Your reverse, reverse, of the reverse arguments hold no water and you say one thing, get proven wrong, then say the opposite, then get proven wrong, and still keep running your mouth? Everyone else who contributed to this discussion has time put in on scions, and actually contributes to this website. I prefer the banter back and forth with them because they are intelligent. Someone scraped you off the bottom of a shoe.

Either way frankfurter, please please wear a condom if you find a chick dumb enough to sleep with you. We dont want you having any babies. I like ALL car makers, and can find great autos in each one. You on the other hand, must of been raped by honda at some point. I just think the FRS needs 20-30 more HP. PLEASE come over to ephatch.com and entertain us over there, we are waiting for you.

frankiietc

Cool story bro. Sounds like your mad bro.
Taking this too personal. Your over 30 years old.
I just don't care for hondas. There are nothing special. Except for the NSX, S2k and most Type R models.. Either than that, The rest none are worth bragging for. Also for the record, I am way more educated and won't race you in the streets.

lynks

The Fr-s needs a Gallo 24 swap bad.

dropzone

I didn't know pizza places made motors.

frankiietc

Hahahaha^

ScionFred

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Poor Jonboy... so many insecure misinformed assumptions in your post. Where should I begin? How about my age?... yes, how old am I? You didn't assume that I'm 53 or whatever age SL shows, did you?

Since you're stating emphatically that I am wrong but not offering any specifics or evidence, should I assume that you have none? Pretty much a "I know you are but what am I?" response? Try harder.

Even your exemplar Rhythym sort of admits that there is no way a weak-sauce 86 can compete with a 265bhp FWD hatchback on the track. Have you even thought your argument through at all? You're basically stating that hp and tq are inconsequential for a road racing car. Is that really the argument you wish to stand by?

ScionFred

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Are you seriously stating that weather conditions and track surface have absolutely nothing to do with road course lap times? I knew you were far from the sharpest tool in the shed but I still didn't expect to see you rolling on the floor laughing at your own stupidity. Pretty amusing nonetheless.

Clean_XB

Ive lingered around watching these threads. Although many claim the FRS/BRZ platform is "drift oriented", I can add that the 'attitude' of these owners seems to imply that they bought the car for "stop light to stop light" reasons. At least, thats happened to me in the past few months when a few FRS's tried 'inspiring' the attention of a certain turbo xB and failed MISERABLY.

Keep your composure brotha, and remember, your not going to convince FRS owners by any means that the vehicle is inferior....its simply the psychological aesthetics of the hype........all humans tend to overinflate the positives, while ignoring the negatives on a particular subject of positive interest.

For now, all we can say is we will see where sales are at when the '14 models come out........even owners and regional sales managers are sketchy about the vehicle at this point.....here in socal, the majority of the drive has been to sell the FRS with expensive 3 piece "baller" wheels, and that seems to have done the trick so far as sales are concerned, but then again, theres a certain reason toyota is only dropping off 1 or 2 at a time at certain dealerships