No offense but i think you guys are all missing the point. Scion is and has always been about fuel efficiency while still keeping a sporty look. Of course this car would be priced at what it is, its a 4 cylinder making 200 BHP and still fuel efficient. Scion will never release any factory FI car because FI cars are obviously not fuel efficient. Also if you really did your research you would have known have small car was going to be. I sat in one the other day and wasnt surprised at how small it was.

 

it wasn't how small the car was because it was pretty spacious in front, the seats were tiny, if they made them 1" wider with less padding on the sides it would have been perfect. The issue is that it doesn't feel like a 200BHP car. Drive one and you'll see.

 

OH and not so fuel efficient when you have to drive it hard to make it go LOL

 

I am going to test drive an FR-S in an hour. I will let you know how it goes.

 

Great, let me know what you think. Try Going from 55-70 in 4, 5, and 6 gear and tell me how you feel. Also tell me what you think about the first gear acceleration through all RPM's. Maybe it's me but it still feels under powered for 200BHP

 

Will do! And I'm a bigger guy too (238lbs) so we will see how I fit.

 

It wont be comfy lol I can guarantee that.

 

The TC has a lot more TQ at lower RPMs than the FR-S. It's not the gearing, it's the TQ that might contribute to the subjective perception of greater power. No question the FR-S TQ curve is at best unimpressive and calls for high revs.
That said the FR-S is a bit faster and the higher the revs/road speed gets the greater the advantage. No question handling and responsiveness is superior and as a necessary requirement so is the braking power. It's not, as many have said, about the numbers though. If you don't come out of the twisties with a big smile on your face then the FR-S is a pointless failure and a wate of money.I was smiling' after my test drive.

FR-S
0-60 6.2_
1/4 14.8
0-100 16.8
60-0 118'
Skid pad lateral acceleration 93g
200 hp @ 7000 rpm
163 ft lbs @ 6600

TC
0-60 7.3
1/4 mile 15.5
0-100 19.7
60-0 126'
Skid pad _lateral acceleration 82g
160 hp 5700 rpm
163 ft lbs 4000 rpm

 

That's what I've been hearing.. my buddy has a neon srt4 and his stock seats are so narrow its very uncomfortable to sit in his car for an extended period of time.

 

It's not the best deal based on numbers. But most people who like these types of cars don't care about straight line driving. And don't forget, Toyota's marque carries a price.

I made a chart to sort the numbers.

[table="head"]Car|Price (USD)|Weight (lbs)|HP/TQ
FR-S|$24,930|2758|200/151
Gen 2.0T|$24,250|3294|271/275
MX-5|$23,470|2410|170/140
Mustang V6|$22,495*|3401|305/280
Gen V6 RS|$28,750|3389|348/295
370Z|$32,280|3245|320/270[/table]

*Mustang priced without track package. MSRP would be estimated $24,990.

So based on numbers alone, I'd probably go for the 2.0T Gen Coupe. But of course this doesn't account for any handling characteristics or the fun-to-drive factor. Nor does it account for aesthetics, resale, longevity, warranty, interior comfort, or aftermarket support which would all be considered.

 

So I'm at the local Scion dealership and the FR-s here is $26k with no additional ad ons. And as far as straight line driving and auto x type driving, I still would want more power for auto x.

 

I'm going to go look at one momentarily. The dealer down the street has an automtatic in stock for $27k. I do see a manual for $25,313 as well but I'm not sure where in the southeast it is.

People also need to realize that prices are going up across the board each year. Non-RS tC2s are listed at $21,700 locally at the cheapest.

 

I just went and looked at one and I liked it. Now of course I didn't drive it because I had to be at work, but this is funny. The salesman told me that there is a box you can plug in to get 300hp. So I am assuming he is talking about something that remaps the computer. I haven't looked much into yet but I doubt TRD is selling something like this. I could be wrong though.

 

This car is anything BUT fuel efficient. And, FI is VERY efficient. What you mean to say is when FI is tuned for power, then economy goes out the window. A lot of the turbo guys on here are getting almost the same MPG's as they were pre-turbo. Now, when you go WOT, the car has the ability to suck down more fuel because your using more power. Case in point - the covette- for having ALL that power, that thing is very tame on gas if your not using 500 horses.

The trade off is the expense for more parts, and if your the company making the car - the turbo is a whole "new" system to warranty and replace. A lot of companies are making smaller, more efficient boosted motors now a days, then stuffing a big v8 in the car. Now, in the sub 30k segments, thats not such a big trend, but a lot of the euro/higher end cars (not supercars, lets leave them out of this because they are far from "normal/typical") are going with this trend. You get the luxury of good MPG's AND power when you go with a small displacement, high output turbo system.

Sorry, I had to laugh about the FRS being fuel efficient. At the weight it has, and the limited power, and power band - I would of thought it would get better numbers.

I think the main problem a lot of you guys are having - is your expecting this car to do everything, be cheap, be fast, handle the best, get great mpg's, have a high end interior, be a quarter mile killer, and destroy things at the auto x. Well, a car can only do a FEW of those things at a certain price point. If anyone is thinking the FRS is a pansy, go spend the extra 20k and get a corvette. That is clearly what some of you are looking for. I like the car for what it is, but its not the best thing ever released. I think the exterior of the car, makes it look sooo much more aggressive than what it really is in terms of performance.

 

False. This guy is selling snake oil, and is full of ____.

 

I figured

 

Just got back from the dealer. Drove an Absolute Red A/T. Visually I love it, just not in red. Whiteout will be my color of choice. Interior is pretty good, the HVAC is kind of bland in comparison to the BRZ. I noticed Toyota/Scion is still using the same cheap plastics. That's to be expected to keep the cost down. The backseat is useless other than for storage. I'm not tall by any means and there was only about 1" of space behind the seat. The seats do hold you in nicely for stock seats. Trunk space is good for the car's size, but shallow.

The ride is firm, but not harsh. However it could be that I've just ridden on lowering springs with my tC for too long. The tires are the same sizing as what came stock on the tC, although Michelins instead of the terrible Yokohamas. It handled very nicely, steering is firm and gives immediate feedback. Almost twitchy but not bad.

As others have noted, the engine is really low in the bay helping with the CoG. Fender liners are exposed, high strut towers, and narrow fender lips. Response is good from the auto in sport mode, although a little harsh at lower RPMs. The engine revs fairly easily which is good considering the power is made at high RPMs. Acceleration is overall better than the tC being that max torque isn't all made before 4k. It's not a fast car, as you have to give it the beans to really get going. However you definitely have a lot of fun getting there.

I'll post some pics in a couple of hours.

 

I chose not to drive it cause I am sure I probably would have signed some papers if I did.

 

According to Scion the FRS curb weights are 2758lbs (MT) and 2806lbs (AT).

 

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