It's a waste of time arguing with people that don't get it. I don't care how much power they make, V6 pony/muscle cars will always be limp-wristed. It's like someone who buys a Boxster instead of a 911.

 

Honestly it doesnt matter lol have what ever hp u want dont make difference to me perzonaly. I dont care how much ho have car i dont like even if it have ridickulous amount of hp.

Uf ur driving skills arent good hp dont matter under powered car will play with u

 

Someone please change the toppic of this discussion its getting old. Some think thi some think that and now does it realy matter? U want it u get it u dont than u will not . i think that sums it up

 

Hey Fanboy, how's the Koolaid today?

Why would the Mustang have to be equipped like a $30,000 BRZ Limited to compete with the base FRS? The Base Mustang with HID headlights and the Track Pack is $24,990 and outperforms the FRS in every measurable category of performance.

Good luck boosting your FRS for $30! FAIL!

I actually like the FRS enough that I test drove one today and got a trade-in quote for my XB. I liked it a lot but was far from blown away by it. I plan on test driving the Mustang, Genesis, et al before making a final decision. However FRS fanboys like you are really swaying me away from the FRS. Honestly, I'd rather get something else than be associated with blindly loyal fanboys who can't even admit that the FRS is underpowered and not the deal of the century.

 

Apparently you're unaware of the video where the V6 Mustang with the additional track package was only able to gain 1 second over a stock FR-S on a track, not in a straight line.

Not sure what you're talking about. He said $30k as in $30,000 to buy the car and spend the remainder on a turbo kit.

You or anyone else isn't going to hurt the feelings of people who buy it just because you don't want one. Toyota/Subaru won't miss a beat as your money is easily replaceable by the next person that comes along.

Using numbers alone, I wouldn't buy anything new in this cateogory especially when I could get a used E36 M3 for $18k. But sometimes it's not about the money, which is what people like you don't understand. Maybe it's the nostalgia this car stirs since it harkens back to the original AE86 in terms of simplicity--4cyl, N/A, FR layout. That and the fact it's Toyota doing this when the last 14 years have been nothing but FWD, eco-hybrid drivel.

 

^Thanks Jon. Some people need to step their reading comprehension game up and check resources and info. Yes I was going by the Mustang priced from the MT comparison.

Since he missed the boat...
First comparo with BR-Z

and with the FR-S
and the Mustang was priced as tested above $30K

LOL at calling me a fanboy when the Mustang is one car I was looking into trading for, along with several other cars.

 

You guys really just don't get it. I have nothing against the FRS but I do have a problem with some of the BS being spewed about it and it's competition. The fact is that you can buy a comparably equipped Mustang with the track package for the same price as the FRS. Deal with it, but don't deny it. I'm in no way saying that you should buy the Mustang or that the Mustang is the better car for you. I'm merely trying to correct the lie that a comparable Mustang costs $30,000. It doesn't.


The FRS is a great handling, fun, but underpowered sports car and no one should be ashamed to buy it for what it is. It's a very poor man's Porsche and that appeals to me too. I'm just being realistic about what it is and what it can and can't do.

BTW, you guys sound really ridiculous when you keep saying over and over again how the FRS is only "a little bit slower" than the competition as if that somehow proves it's the better car. All it proves is that it's slower.

 

People have repeatedly stated it's not fast by any means. It's 200lbs lighter than the tC1, and has 40hp more and less torque. Only the naysayers have tried to compare it to cars out of the segment. If you compare it to what it was designed to compete with, it's a viable contender.

And for the record, I have nothing against Mustangs. Quite the opposite actually. I just wouldn't bother with anything less than a 5.0. The V6 is just what you settle for when you can't afford the GT. It's not as nimble nor as fun out of the box as a FR-S, MX-5, S2k, or RX-8. A Mustang V6 is an alternative to the G37, Genesis V6, or Camaro RS. Not N/A 4cyl or rotary powered cars with less than 300hp.

 

I wish someone would donate me one so I could make it fast I bet I could fit a 3UR-FE in it, throw on a single 80mm turbo, <3klbs with >800whp, how does that sound

 

^Sounds like fun!

Not a 3UR in this Celica(Turbo 1UZ), but it'll get moving

 

Not everyone seems to share your more realistic view of the FRS and the competition, same class or same price class. But no matter, all I really wanted to do was correct some fallacies I've seen posted a lot about the FRS, Mustang, etc. I understand that in most or all BRZ/FRS to Mustang comparisions, a $30,000 Premium Mustang was used but that's only because that's what Ford gave them to test. A base Mustang V6 with the track package would perform every bit as well as the Premium version but without power leather seats, Shaker audio, etc.

I mostly agree with you about the V6 Mustang except that I'd go even further and suggest that for most of us anything less than a super-car is what we settle for given our individual budgets. I personally would love to own a Ferrari 458 or possibly a DB9 but can't really afford either. I could tell my kids that they're on their own for college tuition and buy a Porsche 911 but I'd rather settle for something in the $30k range. So if I do end up getting a FRS or BRZ I will indeed be settling for it, just like 99% of the other buyers. Wouldn't you rather have a LFA?

 

Jesus, Some people on this thread need to learn how to use proper punctuation and grammar on the internet. USE SOME PERIODS!

 

I know he's not talking to me, but who then?

 

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i agree with the first post completly. i went and bought the fr-s without test driving anything else. i love subuaru, and i love toyota. not a ford or hyundai guy. so to me, this is the best car out there right now. it is very underpowered. but were talking about a straight tuner car, there will be plenty of power to add. the compression will be hard to deal with so it could get spendy for boost options. but ive had this car for 4 days now and ive put 300 miles on it. ive been taking it easy for break in. but let me tell you. COOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSS. there are cars out there that may pull more g in a corner, but it wont be as predictable and easy as this car. you get a hint of understeer into the corner, and you control how much oversteer you want. it doesnt matter how bumpy the corner is either. my 08 TC did feel faster, even though on paper its not, but my tc in a corner would flop like a fish over a small rock. the feel of the fr-s is great. give it some time, and there will be some small gains in bolt-ons. every shop already has their hands on this thing.

 

At the end of the day, it's all about the money. For $30k... you are saying no to a 5.0 GT, no to a e46 m3, no to a 135i, no to a C5 Z06, no to a C6. The only car from that list which you can argue that isn't a "track" inspired car is the mustang, but even then it lapped the same track which the brz/miata/and genesis were tested on in 0.1 second slower than a e92 M3. Last I checked, the BRZ was a second or two away from a genesis on that track. And before anyways says... hey! American and German cars are unreliable... ... Just go back to your ft86club. Cheers.

 

The fact you think it's all about money shows you still don't grasp the concept. Not to mention you're still comparing it to used cars. With that logic, no one should ever buy a new car. There's always going to be something older, cheaper, and faster.

 

Here's what I'm confused about....

I keep seeing a price of thirty grand when referencing the fr-s....but it barely breaks the 25k mark.

Also, I didn't realize that the fr-s only lost by a second (on a track) to a car with 100 more hp and a track specific package.

That alone speaks volumes to the fr-s' abilities!


Anyway. Hopefully everyone finds the cars they want, and enjoys them!!! I have always been a fan of pushing underpowered cars (as it is funner for me to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car "quickly").
But everyone has their own personal tastes!

To each their own!

EDIT:

Just found a few threads around other forums.....and it appears that MINES is already working on ecu'for the frs.....

MINES people!! If the fact that one of the best tuning companies in the world is already chomping at the bit to tune this car doesn't speak to it's potential....well...some people just can't be convinced I guess!

Genuinely jealous the more I see/hear about this car!

 

and thats the thing, everyone is comparing this car while it is stock. its a tuner car. no two will be the same in a couple years. get one thats tuned with some bolt ons. running 300hp at the crank. AND THEN compare it to these cars again.

 

So you need to compare a modified FRS to a stock V6 Mustang? ROFL. Any car can play the tuner game. And even then modded vs modded, FRS will lose in comparision. BTW good luck keeping your warranty when you boost that high compression engine. I'm sure Scion dealerships will not void the warranty because it is a "tuner" car. LOL