are 08 civic si and 08 scion tc in the same class?
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Engine Type In-Line 4-Cylinder
Engine Block/Cylinder Head Aluminum-Alloy
Displacement (cc) 1998
Horsepower @ rpm 197 @ 7800
Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm) 139 @ 6100
Redline (rpm) 8000
Bore and Stroke (mm) 86 x 86
Compression Ratio 11.0:1
Valve Train 16-Valve DOHC i-VTEC®
Displacement cu in (cc): 144 (2362)
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 161(264) / 6000
Redline at RPM: n.a.
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 162(221) / 4000
Type: Inline-4
Engine Block/Cylinder Head Aluminum-Alloy
Displacement (cc) 1998
Horsepower @ rpm 197 @ 7800
Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm) 139 @ 6100
Redline (rpm) 8000
Bore and Stroke (mm) 86 x 86
Compression Ratio 11.0:1
Valve Train 16-Valve DOHC i-VTEC®
Displacement cu in (cc): 144 (2362)
Power bhp (kW) at RPM: 161(264) / 6000
Redline at RPM: n.a.
Torque lb-ft (Nm) at RPM: 162(221) / 4000
Type: Inline-4
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I think the Si would be considered a factory tuner.
But hey, thats why Scion created performance options
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=108776
But hey, thats why Scion created performance options
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=108776
With its big torque advantage over the Civic Si, we expect the Scion to be quicker in a straight line but the Honda has a couple advantages. One is a six-speed gearbox that allows it to run shorter gears to keep the revs up. The other advantage is the Si's standard limited-slip differential which allows the Honda to get its torque to the pavement more efficiently.
With the Si going for a mere $19,990 for everything but a navigation system, $26K for a 2006 Scion tC Supercharged is hard to swallow.
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the reason for asking my friend has an 08 si we race all the time . i win off the line than he just takes off haha. ok so here this also i am going to turbo my car i get my turbo in tomarow and he stil think he can beat me even with my turbo.. he says " with all my bolt ons i will still smoke u"
ya he stupid and i want to slap him
ya he stupid and i want to slap him
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Define class.
2-door "sporty" compacts. Yes.
Performance class - Generally, yes. Both are FWD, 2 door, NON-sports cars. Both understeer like a beyotch, both are reasonably quick in a straight line...but not fast.
Are we the fastest accelerating in our "class" ? - Nope.
Just a lot of subjectivity here.
2-door "sporty" compacts. Yes.
Performance class - Generally, yes. Both are FWD, 2 door, NON-sports cars. Both understeer like a beyotch, both are reasonably quick in a straight line...but not fast.
Are we the fastest accelerating in our "class" ? - Nope.
Just a lot of subjectivity here.
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Originally Posted by senseiturtle
Define class.
2-door "sporty" compacts. Yes.
Performance class - Generally, yes. Both are FWD, 2 door, NON-sports cars. Both understeer like a beyotch, both are reasonably quick in a straight line...but not fast.
Other examples of "our class" --- Eclipse / Celica / Tiburon
Is it "best in class" - Maybe bang for buck in terms of quality, MPG, and acceleration.... but it is NOT the fastest accelerating, not the best MPG, etc. Perhaps best in build quality, but that's subjective.
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So i guess it just depends on who you ask. Keep your racing on a track. Don't end up in jail.
2-door "sporty" compacts. Yes.
Performance class - Generally, yes. Both are FWD, 2 door, NON-sports cars. Both understeer like a beyotch, both are reasonably quick in a straight line...but not fast.
Other examples of "our class" --- Eclipse / Celica / Tiburon
Is it "best in class" - Maybe bang for buck in terms of quality, MPG, and acceleration.... but it is NOT the fastest accelerating, not the best MPG, etc. Perhaps best in build quality, but that's subjective.
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So i guess it just depends on who you ask. Keep your racing on a track. Don't end up in jail.
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Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Originally Posted by senseiturtle
Define class.
2-door "sporty" compacts. Yes.
Performance class - Generally, yes. Both are FWD, 2 door, NON-sports cars. Both understeer like a beyotch, both are reasonably quick in a straight line...but not fast.
Other examples of "our class" --- Eclipse / Celica / Tiburon
Is it "best in class" - Maybe bang for buck in terms of quality, MPG, and acceleration.... but it is NOT the fastest accelerating, not the best MPG, etc. Perhaps best in build quality, but that's subjective.
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So i guess it just depends on who you ask. Keep your racing on a track. Don't end up in jail.
2-door "sporty" compacts. Yes.
Performance class - Generally, yes. Both are FWD, 2 door, NON-sports cars. Both understeer like a beyotch, both are reasonably quick in a straight line...but not fast.
Other examples of "our class" --- Eclipse / Celica / Tiburon
Is it "best in class" - Maybe bang for buck in terms of quality, MPG, and acceleration.... but it is NOT the fastest accelerating, not the best MPG, etc. Perhaps best in build quality, but that's subjective.
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So i guess it just depends on who you ask. Keep your racing on a track. Don't end up in jail.
LOCK THIS CRAP
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Sorry for the bump, but just read the road and track data panels, and I think it will be very clear the Si is a step above the tC.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...on_tc_data.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...data_panel.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...on_tc_data.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...data_panel.pdf
If you are going to turbo your tC and do it right with the right parts, this is generally what your dyno will look like compared to the si's 
A turbo tc makes an SI seem VERY slow on the street.
And the reason you get him off the line is because under 5750 rpm the tc kicks the crap out of the si hp & torque wise. After than, the si will run away.
A turbo tc makes an SI seem VERY slow on the street.And the reason you get him off the line is because under 5750 rpm the tc kicks the crap out of the si hp & torque wise. After than, the si will run away.