ECU piggy back and tune for N/A?
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Whats up boys and girls??
I have a question, I have looked all through the forums and I see nothing that comes close to answering my wondering mind.
I am running a basic I/H/E/P setup. I am running cat free and I am running rich. Not bad rich, but rich enough. Boost isnt an option at this time so I am working with what I got.
My question is simple. Is there any advantage to a tune with this setup and a basically stock motor?? E-Manage?? or a vvti controller? Any constructive feed back or first hand knowledge would be appreciated.
I have a question, I have looked all through the forums and I see nothing that comes close to answering my wondering mind.
I am running a basic I/H/E/P setup. I am running cat free and I am running rich. Not bad rich, but rich enough. Boost isnt an option at this time so I am working with what I got.
My question is simple. Is there any advantage to a tune with this setup and a basically stock motor?? E-Manage?? or a vvti controller? Any constructive feed back or first hand knowledge would be appreciated.
A wideband A/F guage is really the only way to tell if you are running rich. Without using a piggyback to trick your computer into seeing what it wants to see, it will still try to bring the car back to how it was before your bolt on mods.
Next time you are on a dyno, do 2 pulls. Then reset your battery, and do 2 more. Betcha 20 bucks you make more power on the second set of pulls.
To answer your question more directly, there really is no reason to go spend 500+ bucks on an F/IC for bolt on tuning. If you plan on going turbo soon, the investment is not wasted because you will learn how to use the software and work with your ECU to get the desired results. Most "chips" that increase power either cut fuel or advance timing on the OEM map so that you make more HP. This usually requires higher octane gas. The F/IC does not have the ability to advance timing.
In conclusion, don't waste your money on a tuning device for an N/A stock block TC. The ECU is already doing everything needed, even with the bolt ons.
Next time you are on a dyno, do 2 pulls. Then reset your battery, and do 2 more. Betcha 20 bucks you make more power on the second set of pulls.
To answer your question more directly, there really is no reason to go spend 500+ bucks on an F/IC for bolt on tuning. If you plan on going turbo soon, the investment is not wasted because you will learn how to use the software and work with your ECU to get the desired results. Most "chips" that increase power either cut fuel or advance timing on the OEM map so that you make more HP. This usually requires higher octane gas. The F/IC does not have the ability to advance timing.
In conclusion, don't waste your money on a tuning device for an N/A stock block TC. The ECU is already doing everything needed, even with the bolt ons.
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A wideband A/F guage is really the only way to tell if you are running rich. Without using a piggyback to trick your computer into seeing what it wants to see, it will still try to bring the car back to how it was before your bolt on mods.
Next time you are on a dyno, do 2 pulls. Then reset your battery, and do 2 more. Betcha 20 bucks you make more power on the second set of pulls.
To answer your question more directly, there really is no reason to go spend 500+ bucks on an F/IC for bolt on tuning. If you plan on going turbo soon, the investment is not wasted because you will learn how to use the software and work with your ECU to get the desired results. Most "chips" that increase power either cut fuel or advance timing on the OEM map so that you make more HP. This usually requires higher octane gas. The F/IC does not have the ability to advance timing.
In conclusion, don't waste your money on a tuning device for an N/A stock block TC. The ECU is already doing everything needed, even with the bolt ons.
Next time you are on a dyno, do 2 pulls. Then reset your battery, and do 2 more. Betcha 20 bucks you make more power on the second set of pulls.
To answer your question more directly, there really is no reason to go spend 500+ bucks on an F/IC for bolt on tuning. If you plan on going turbo soon, the investment is not wasted because you will learn how to use the software and work with your ECU to get the desired results. Most "chips" that increase power either cut fuel or advance timing on the OEM map so that you make more HP. This usually requires higher octane gas. The F/IC does not have the ability to advance timing.
In conclusion, don't waste your money on a tuning device for an N/A stock block TC. The ECU is already doing everything needed, even with the bolt ons.
Interesting..... Thanks for the info
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