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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 08:00 AM
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I have a question, I have looked all through the forums and I see nothing that comes close to answering my wondering mind.

I am running a basic I/H/E/P setup. I am running cat free and I am running rich. Not bad rich, but rich enough. Boost isnt an option at this time so I am working with what I got.

My question is simple. Is there any advantage to a tune with this setup and a basically stock motor?? E-Manage?? or a vvti controller? Any constructive feed back or first hand knowledge would be appreciated.
Old Nov 19, 2009 | 10:47 AM
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I'd use an AEM FIC, and it's not going to be amazing power, but a tune always helps with power mods.. IMO.
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This is a noob question but how would I know if im running rich?

I have Injen intake/Weapon R header/Tsudo exhaust on an automatic?
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Do you see black smoke coming out your exhaust?
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A wideband A/F guage is really the only way to tell if you are running rich. Without using a piggyback to trick your computer into seeing what it wants to see, it will still try to bring the car back to how it was before your bolt on mods.

Next time you are on a dyno, do 2 pulls. Then reset your battery, and do 2 more. Betcha 20 bucks you make more power on the second set of pulls.

To answer your question more directly, there really is no reason to go spend 500+ bucks on an F/IC for bolt on tuning. If you plan on going turbo soon, the investment is not wasted because you will learn how to use the software and work with your ECU to get the desired results. Most "chips" that increase power either cut fuel or advance timing on the OEM map so that you make more HP. This usually requires higher octane gas. The F/IC does not have the ability to advance timing.

In conclusion, don't waste your money on a tuning device for an N/A stock block TC. The ECU is already doing everything needed, even with the bolt ons.
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Originally Posted by rangerryda
A wideband A/F guage is really the only way to tell if you are running rich. Without using a piggyback to trick your computer into seeing what it wants to see, it will still try to bring the car back to how it was before your bolt on mods.

Next time you are on a dyno, do 2 pulls. Then reset your battery, and do 2 more. Betcha 20 bucks you make more power on the second set of pulls.

To answer your question more directly, there really is no reason to go spend 500+ bucks on an F/IC for bolt on tuning. If you plan on going turbo soon, the investment is not wasted because you will learn how to use the software and work with your ECU to get the desired results. Most "chips" that increase power either cut fuel or advance timing on the OEM map so that you make more HP. This usually requires higher octane gas. The F/IC does not have the ability to advance timing.

In conclusion, don't waste your money on a tuning device for an N/A stock block TC. The ECU is already doing everything needed, even with the bolt ons.


Interesting..... Thanks for the info
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