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Old Dec 29, 2007 | 02:07 AM
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Default Finally got my car Dynoed!!

Setup:
Injen S.R. Intake
MMW Header and S-pipe (4-2-1)
Magnaflow Axle Back Exhaust
93 Octane
Air temp. 46

Results:
1st run. hp 162.09 tq 160.02
2nd run. hp 163.79 tq 162.23
3rd run. hp 163.04 tq 162.37

The Air Fuel Ratio stayed around 14.2 the whole time. The Dyno is a Dynojet.
Not too bad I was expecting 155 hp 160 tq so I am satisfied.

What do you think?

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Old Dec 29, 2007 | 02:14 AM
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Nice very nice... that is similar to the numbers they did on a tC in Import Tuners mag.

So can I ask where did you get you Header and how much?

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Old Dec 29, 2007 | 02:14 AM
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not bad
Old Dec 29, 2007 | 02:34 AM
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Thanks!

Ordered the header and s-pipe from monster motor works 565.00 shipped.

The torque curve was pretty good too from 2000 rpm up torque didnt drop below 145 till it hit 5200 rpm.
Old Dec 29, 2007 | 03:40 AM
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y 93 octane?
Old Dec 29, 2007 | 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by O5_TRD_tC
y 93 octane?
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Old Dec 29, 2007 | 08:41 AM
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cleaner burning, better gas milage, small% more power
Old Dec 29, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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im guessing its a five speed correct?
Old Dec 29, 2007 | 09:02 AM
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Higher octane will really give cleaner burning and better gas mileage? Even on an NA tC?

Hmmm I've been wanting to try out V-power from Shell lol.

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Old Dec 29, 2007 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by josh4201
cleaner burning, better gas milage, small % more power
Unfortunatly for you, and your walllet, all of these reasons are 100% false.

Good numbers though.
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Unfortunatly for you, and your walllet, all of these reasons are 100% false.

Good numbers though.

Y do you say that?

And yes it is a 5 speed
Old Dec 29, 2007 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by josh4201
Unfortunatly for you, and your walllet, all of these reasons are 100% false.

Good numbers though.

Y do you say that?

And yes it is a 5 speed
The answer to your question has been posted thousands of times across MANY forums, but here is a run down. I dont feel like thinking so I will take info from MULTIPLE websites to prove that all higher octane is for, is to prevent detonation due to higher intake temps associated with Forced Induction.

From About Chemistry.com: http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthi.../aa070401a.htm

High octane gasoline does not outperform regular octane gasoline in preventing engine deposits from forming, in removing them, or in cleaning the engine. Consumers should select the lowest octane grade at which the car's engine runs without knocking. Occasional light knocking or pinging won't harm the engine, and doesn't indicate a need for higher octane. On the other hand, a heavy or persistent knock may result in engine damage.



In internal combustion engines, the compressed gasoline-air mixtures have a tendency to ignite prematurely rather than burning smoothly. This creates engine knock, a characteristic rattling or pinging sound in one or more cylinders. The octane number of gasoline is a measure of its resistance to knock. The octane number is determined by comparing the characteristics of a gasoline to isooctane (2,2,4-trimethylpentane) and heptane. Isooctane is assigned an octane number of 100. It is a highly branched compound that burns smoothly, with little knock. On the other hand, heptane is given an octane rating of zero. It is an unbranched compound and knocks badly.

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating
Higher octane ratings correlate to higher activation energies. Activation energy is the amount of energy necessary to start a chemical reaction. Since higher octane fuels have higher activation energies, it is less likely that a given compression will cause knocking. (Note that it is the absolute pressure (compression) in the combustion chamber which is important - not the compression ratio. The compression ratio only governs the maximum compression that can be achieved).

Octane rating has no direct impact on the deflagration (burn) of the air/fuel mixture in the combustion chamber. Other properties of gasoline and engine design account for the manner at which deflagration takes place. In other words, the flame speed of a normally ignited mixture is not directly connected to octane rating. Deflagration is the type of combustion that constitutes the normal burn. Detonation is a different type of combustion and this is to be avoided in spark ignited gasoline engines. Octane rating is a measure of detonation resistance, not deflagration characteristics.

It might seem odd that fuels with higher octane ratings explode less easily, yet are popularly thought of as more powerful. The misunderstanding is caused by confusing the ability of the fuel to resist compression detonation as opposed to the ability of the fuel to burn (combustion).

From a state website http://www.state.mn.us/mn/externalDo...ctaneFacts.pdf :

Octane Myths
High octane gasoline improves mileage.
In general, if your car is designed to run on 87 octane gasoline, high octane gasoline will not improve
mileage. If switching to high octane gasoline does improve mileage, you might find that your engine, or its
control systems, need repair.

• High octane gasoline gives quicker starting.
No, it doesn’t.
High octane gasoline increases power.
If your car is designed to run on 87 octane gasoline, you shouldn’t notice any more power on high octane
gasoline. Again, if it does make a noticeable difference, your engine, or the engine’s electronic control

systems, may need repair.
• High octane gasoline has been refined more – it is just a better product.
Additional refining steps are used to increase the octane; however, these additional steps do not necessarily
make the gasoline a “better” product for all engines. They just yield a different blend of hydrocarbons that
burn more slowly. The additional steps also increase the price.

Some service advisor site http://theserviceadvisor.com/octane.htm :

WHAT IF I PREFER TO USE GASOLINE WITH HIGHER OCTANE RATINGS?

You can, but there are no real benefits, other than the gasoline manufacturers making more money off of you. When you use a fuel with a higher octane rating than your vehicle requires, you can send this unburned fuel into the emissions system. It can also collect in the catalytic converter. When you over stress any system, it can malfunction or not do what it was designed to do properly. In the early 90's, an early warning symptom was a rotten egg smell from the tailpipe. Easy fix, go back to using regular 87 octane gasoline. The rude odor usually disappears after several tanks of gasoline.

DOESN'T HIGHER OCTANE GASOLINE HAVE MORE CLEANING ADDITIVES THAT ARE GOOD FOR MY ENGINE?

No.
Government regulations require that all gasoline contain basically the same amount of additives to clean the injectors and valves. The only differences are the type to help create the different octane ratings. All gasoline burns at the same rate, it is the additives that create the different octane ratings for the different types of engines.

I can post more links if you would like. I know not everythign off the web can be taken as fact, but I have yet to find ANYTHING that supports higher octane to be better for a car, unless its reccomended.
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you have to fill half up with shell V-Power and half Chevron Techron... that way you get V-Tech and your car smokes honda's!!!! ;)
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by yeldak
you have to fill half up with shell V-Power and half Chevron Techron... that way you get V-Tech and your car smokes honda's!!!! ;)
Old Dec 30, 2007 | 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick06tC
Originally Posted by josh4201
cleaner burning, better gas milage, small % more power
Unfortunatly for you, and your walllet, all of these reasons are 100% false.

Good numbers though.
yep
Old Dec 31, 2007 | 01:54 PM
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you should do way better with the injen coldair section, why did u take it off??
Old Dec 31, 2007 | 06:21 PM
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have you thought about engine management too? should be able to pull out some more ponies with it
Old Jan 1, 2008 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by chicotunner07
you should do way better with the Injen Cold Air section, why did u take it off??
I had the SRI at first and recently installed the second part to make it the CAI and I am taking it off as soon as I buy the VRD Grill and Fogs.

The CAI seemed to take away some power instead of give power (a noticeable amount). Plus when you wash the car the filter gets wet and I don't like that at all.

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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by josh4201
Thanks!

Ordered the header and s-pipe from monster motor works 565.00 shipped.

The torque curve was pretty good too from 2000 rpm up torque didnt drop below 145 till it hit 5200 rpm.
I thought that Mme stopped making that header? Where did u get it than? And did u need to do the antifouler?
Old Jan 2, 2008 | 12:50 AM
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Nice numbers, I'm hoping to get similar ones as well.



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