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Old Apr 12, 2005 | 02:45 AM
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Default Got some more info on the Supercharger.....

To all of you that don't want to believe me, then don't bother to respond. There is no need for the negativity. For those of you who are actually interested in the information that I have.....read on.

The superchargers are on the shelves as we speak but cannot be shipped out until they get the new company to build the new ECU. Any real pertinent info on it is considered very confidential and is not even making it to the Toyota Execs but I was able to get a littlee more info.

Boost: Still not released

HP at WHEELS: 190 hp
HP w/ intercooler at wheels: 235 hp


Intercooler will be in the same place as Sparco one so it will be behind the lower honeycomb grille. And the price, though not releaased either, will keep a base model just under $20K so the S/C will be about $3500.
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 02:46 AM
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yup, might have to get one....haha
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 02:47 AM
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that with the warranty........maybe a special edition will come out with one alredy in it and I can trade my old on in for it.......
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 02:49 AM
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thank you sheep!

This information is amazing!

I do have one question though: Why are they measuring hp at the wheels when the most common practice for automotive companies is to measure it at the crank?
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My guess is because most tCs are already made, which is their test cars... so they get the newly built S/C then bolt it on to an already manufactured tC, then measure the power. Seems like a lower cost and it shows how well the ECu takes to the adjustments, rather than a computer on the flywheel dyno.
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I'll let someone else with a little more knowledge answer that. But at the crank it is 208 with super charger and about 255 with the intercooler if I remember right.
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Originally Posted by Joe@Dezod
My guess is because most tCs are already made, which is their test cars... so they get the newly built S/C then bolt it on to an already manufactured tC, then measure the power. Seems like a lower cost and it shows how well the ECu takes to the adjustments, rather than a computer on the flywheel dyno.
thats good rationale i suppose. I guess I am just not used to companies as toyota giving these kinds of figures (whp).
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3500 =( i got $1400 in my blower fund saved do'h
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sheep
I'll let someone else with a little more knowledge answer that. But at the crank it is 208 with super charger and about 255 with the intercooler if I remember right.
jesus what kind of intercooler would jump up the hp level 47 hp?! doesnt sound right...
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 03:07 AM
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well Im sure that with the intercooler it allows you to run a few pounds more boost, thats where you get your hp from, without intercooler you would only probably run 4-5 pounds MAX but with intercooler, you could probably saftely boost 7-8
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Originally Posted by fivepointnine
well Im sure that with the intercooler it allows you to run a few pounds more boost, thats where you get your hp from, without intercooler you would only probably run 4-5 pounds MAX but with intercooler, you could probably saftely boost 7-8
i dunno man. at 190WHP, it's gotta be running more than 5psi....
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 03:14 AM
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ummmm heeeelllooooo... TRD intercooler????????
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 03:18 AM
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if true i might just get one too
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by davo345
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well Im sure that with the intercooler it allows you to run a few pounds more boost, thats where you get your hp from, without intercooler you would only probably run 4-5 pounds MAX but with intercooler, you could probably saftely boost 7-8
i dunno man. at 190WHP, it's gotta be running more than 5psi....
I know a guy with a turbo and hes boosting like 6psi with intercooler and is running WELL over 200 at the wheels.
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Originally Posted by fivepointnine
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well Im sure that with the intercooler it allows you to run a few pounds more boost, thats where you get your hp from, without intercooler you would only probably run 4-5 pounds MAX but with intercooler, you could probably saftely boost 7-8
i dunno man. at 190WHP, it's gotta be running more than 5psi....
Tuquito is running like 6psi on his turbo and was dynoed at way more than 200fwhp.
really.... ... :D
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 03:33 AM
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yes yes, stay optimistic!!!!!
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Originally Posted by davo345
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I'll let someone else with a little more knowledge answer that. But at the crank it is 208 with super charger and about 255 with the intercooler if I remember right.
jesus what kind of intercooler would jump up the hp level 47 hp?! doesnt sound right...
It wont
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Not to sound like I am picking... but could you give us the source of the info? that determines a whole lot. the only believable info I have received has been from scion so far
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by fivepointnine
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well Im sure that with the intercooler it allows you to run a few pounds more boost, thats where you get your hp from, without intercooler you would only probably run 4-5 pounds MAX but with intercooler, you could probably saftely boost 7-8
i dunno man. at 190WHP, it's gotta be running more than 5psi....
I know a guy with a turbo and hes boosting like 6psi with intercooler and is running WELL over 200 at the wheels.
Should take roughly 6 psi on the tC engine to reach 190 WHP .... which is about what scion tells me they will produce. And by the way.... the info given above does agree with what scion has been telling me since october of last year (except the intercooler part).... I am just curious as to who the source is on this.
Old Apr 12, 2005 | 04:12 AM
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i wouldn't believe these numbers without actual proof. this is about as accurate as the cia


p.s. anyone who flat out denies any criticism should be approached with a grain of salt



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