Notices
Scion tC 1G Drivetrain & Power Engine and transmission discussions...

Low end torque

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-03-2007, 05:10 AM
  #21  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Scikotics
SL Member
 
engifineer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 9,731
Default

lightweight pulleys will never slow down throttle response. Now, I would never put a set on my car due to the potential issues it can create for your engine, but that is all I will say about that part, since a big argument will ensue.

More rotational mass means the flywheel (any spinning disc, so the pulleys as well in this case) resists changes in momentum more (this also means they shed speed slower, which is why you gain no "power" when you reduce rotational mass.. they store energy, not dissipate it). So less rotational mass means you can rev faster and that the engine will shed speed faster. If you want a real change and no risk of issue, go with a lightweight flywheel. You still have the same amount of tq and power, but the engine will rev and rev match quicker. You will have to launch at a higher rpm though, since you are reducing rotational inertia.
engifineer is offline  
Old 09-03-2007, 07:36 AM
  #22  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
jiggadomino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Shanghai
Posts: 1,119
Default

yea i dont think lightweight pulleys are for my tc, and all i am trying to do is better throttle response.

so there is nothing else you can really do but just the lightweight flywheel.
jiggadomino is offline  
Old 09-03-2007, 02:19 PM
  #23  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Scikotics
SL Member
 
engifineer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 9,731
Default

The rate at which the engine revs up is restricted by rotational mass. This is great for making a car easier to launch for new manual drivers and to make it smoother running, but not so great for throttle response. So that really is your best bet at a noticeable change in this area.
engifineer is offline  
Old 09-07-2007, 01:23 AM
  #24  
Senior Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Thndr13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: .
Posts: 190
Default

Not to threadjack or anything, but I've been reading up on headers and the 4-2-1 design. From what I gathered, it basically uses the exhaust pulse of one cylinder to help the next on it's intake stoke, right? So wouldn't that help with the entire powerband if done correctly or would it just help out the low end?
Thndr13 is offline  
Old 09-07-2007, 01:30 AM
  #25  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Scikotics
SL Member
 
engifineer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 9,731
Default

That is the purpose behind all header design, to align the pulses to provide power when you need it. You can liken it to an antenna. The signal reception of an antenna is directly related to its length, so shorter antennas for shorter wavelenths and vice versa. Your radio antenna cant possibly be perfect at all frequencies, so it is optimized in the middle of the fm band so you get the best possible overall design.

A header is the same way. Obviously the exhaust pulses will line up differently at different rpms because the frequency changes with rpm. A header is designed to best use the pulses to aid in scavenging. Since its lengths cant change with rpm, a designer will build one that works in the range most often used for the car. A different header can move that power around for you.
engifineer is offline  
Old 09-07-2007, 01:40 AM
  #26  
Senior Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Thndr13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: .
Posts: 190
Default

That puts it all in perspective. Thanks!
Thndr13 is offline  
Old 09-07-2007, 01:46 AM
  #27  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
Zebman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: West Virginia, US
Posts: 1,616
Default

I was surprised when I got my Weapon R intake on. I actually did notice a difference! The low-end torque is not quite there anymore, but 3000+ pulls so f*cking hard!
Zebman is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
12xb
Scion xB 2nd-Gen Drivetrain & Power
2
11-07-2015 03:44 PM
bktply
Scion tC 2G Drivetrain & Power
0
12-10-2014 05:21 PM
tbblizzard
Scion xA/xB 1st-Gen Drivetrain & Power
18
12-10-2003 12:22 AM
toyotaisme
Scion xA/xB 1st-Gen ICE & Interior
13
11-14-2003 01:37 PM
Docofmind
Scion xA/xB 1st-Gen ICE & Interior
1
10-25-2003 04:33 AM



Quick Reply: Low end torque



All times are GMT. The time now is 11:17 AM.