MUFFLER VALVE WHY??? (pics)
Originally Posted by cad455
the valve is open at WOT. are you worried about losing power at half throttle? i don't get it.
Originally Posted by Stefan TC
Originally Posted by djaaronp
geez. dyno your car. then put headers, highflow cat, 3" pipes all the way back and a valveless muffler and tell me what your low end torque does.....IT GOES DOWN. Why? you eliminated your backpressure.
its for low end torque, if you dont want low end torque, by all means, get rid of the valve.
its for low end torque, if you dont want low end torque, by all means, get rid of the valve.
Since you seem to know the answer do you have the dyno results that support it?
Thanks,
not off hand, but i've experienced this with my brother's supra. For TC'd engines, it doesnt really matter that much, and you want as free flowing exhaust as possible. see the thing is. backpressure helps with the low end torque. if you eliminate it you make more room for air to flow freely, which gives you higher top end power. At higher RPM's torque is less of a factor, but for off the line power you need some backpressure for the torque, which is why there is a valve in there.
So instantly if installing a new exhaust system that say had a 5 ftlb torque increase but didn't have the valve would equate to the stock exhaust with the valve as far as low end torque?
(ignore the numbers, they are not important)
(ignore the numbers, they are not important)
Originally Posted by Stefan TC
Originally Posted by daemonite
yamaha first made the butterfly exhaust valve for their sport bikes. Toyota doesn't design or make their own engines anymore, it's all designed by yamaha hence why we have exhaust butterfly valves. BMW 330's have them too when you sit behind one in traffic look at the exhaust with your headlights on. You'll see it on the left or right tip.
Back pressure gives you torque, when you gas it it opens allowing free flowing exhaust gas to exit. Don't mess with it, if it was bad or served no purpose they wouldn't put it into the car.
Back pressure gives you torque, when you gas it it opens allowing free flowing exhaust gas to exit. Don't mess with it, if it was bad or served no purpose they wouldn't put it into the car.
Thanks for the info. I am not sure though that everything that the maker pust in the car is 'good'. Some of the features serve only the purpose of complying with endless regulations and limiting liability (warranty) (electronic speed limiter etc. etc)
For now I ma going to leave it as it is but I ma not going to agree with the statment that "if it is there it is needed" for the reasons stated above.
Cheers,
technical explaination of the valve. from a different car, so the numbers might be slightly off, but the concept is the same
A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies muffler volume to help enhance engine power in different speed ranges. At lower engine speeds (around-town driving, for example), the valve remains closed to provide a smaller-volume muffler chamber. The resulting level of exhaust back-pressure enhances power at these speeds. When exhaust pressure reaches about 22 psi -- which occurs at about 2,400 rpm -- the valve opens to allow exhaust gas through an additional chamber. The resulting increased muffler volume reduces exhaust back-pressure, enhancing power at higher speeds. Muffler valve operation does not affect the noise level.
A mechanical valve in the rear muffler varies muffler volume to help enhance engine power in different speed ranges. At lower engine speeds (around-town driving, for example), the valve remains closed to provide a smaller-volume muffler chamber. The resulting level of exhaust back-pressure enhances power at these speeds. When exhaust pressure reaches about 22 psi -- which occurs at about 2,400 rpm -- the valve opens to allow exhaust gas through an additional chamber. The resulting increased muffler volume reduces exhaust back-pressure, enhancing power at higher speeds. Muffler valve operation does not affect the noise level.
The engine in the Scion tC has been around in one form or another as a car and truck powerplant for many years, continuously improved for power, torque, and Toyota levels of quietness and reliability. It comes with electronic variable valve timing for good low end torque development, and twin balance shafts for smoothness. Tuned to 160 horsepower and 163 foot-pounds of torque, the engine is quiet, smooth, and plenty powerful in a 2900-pound car, and at full throttle, it sounds powerful without being intrusive, because it has a valved muffler that opens up at high rpm and can be worth as much as 5 horsepower.
This quote is curtsey of NCTD
Hopefully. This answers anybody’s question about removing the valve.
This quote is curtsey of NCTD
Hopefully. This answers anybody’s question about removing the valve.
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Congratulations, its a muffler valve!!!!



After days of cutting wheels and freaking double wrapped metal, I was able to get in and prove that there is indeed a muffler valve. Apparently it opens when the pressure builds up(In chamber 1 and 2) and more flow is needed. :D This concludes the 2page long debate on the tC muffler valve.



After days of cutting wheels and freaking double wrapped metal, I was able to get in and prove that there is indeed a muffler valve. Apparently it opens when the pressure builds up(In chamber 1 and 2) and more flow is needed. :D This concludes the 2page long debate on the tC muffler valve.
think of your valve prob this way. where do the noise police live? where do they listen? I the sound reducing valve was removed your car would make more noise at low speeds, and you could get pulled over for just crusing around town doing nothing. Is the hassle worth it?
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