Perrin short shifter *pics*
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Perrin short shifter *pics*
Hey, so I got mine installed about two weeks ago, but I'm not completely convinced it's right... It's been set as low as it'll go ('cause I guess the bottom was kinda scraping against stuff), and it doesn't actually feel any/much shorter than the stock one... and I didn't really notice the throws being any shorter either... I'm gonna have to ask people to measure stuff...
(in height, when it's shifted into third, say, I can reach my index finger forward and I'm just about at the middle of that temperature dial)
...On the plus side, the shifts are definitely more solid--as in, you can totally tell when you get in a gear, and there's no wiggle after you get into it.
There's a bend in the rod, that I set angled towards me, which is why it seems to bend a little bit in the pics (especially the one from the back):
(oh, and my camera phone just doesn't have the quality that I'd like. :shrug:
From the back:
From the side:
From the driver's view:
(in height, when it's shifted into third, say, I can reach my index finger forward and I'm just about at the middle of that temperature dial)
...On the plus side, the shifts are definitely more solid--as in, you can totally tell when you get in a gear, and there's no wiggle after you get into it.
There's a bend in the rod, that I set angled towards me, which is why it seems to bend a little bit in the pics (especially the one from the back):
(oh, and my camera phone just doesn't have the quality that I'd like. :shrug:
From the back:
From the side:
From the driver's view:
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Perrin only sells one:
http://www.perrinperformance.com/Pro...rt_Shifter.htm
And they say it's fitted for the xA, the xB, *and* the tC. So I dunno... I figure, after I check the instructions (and any "leftover" parts), I'll check with their tech department.
http://www.perrinperformance.com/Pro...rt_Shifter.htm
And they say it's fitted for the xA, the xB, *and* the tC. So I dunno... I figure, after I check the instructions (and any "leftover" parts), I'll check with their tech department.
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it has adjustable height but it is realy made for the xa and xb becouse there stock shifters are like the ones in pickup trucks. it fits in the tc so this company markets it as a shifter for the tc also this is why i didnt want to go with it i figured the stock tc shifter would be about the same as the xb short shifter
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thanks for the pics shadowhawk, I checked and my index is about the middle of the dial also,
I also used my tape measure set it flush against the plastic part of the center console the vertical part and the end of the tape on the back side of the shift **** in third it was at 8 3/4",in neutral 10 1/2",and in forth 12 1/4" I can get a pic if you need a visual.
aarontrini85 if this is the same shifter for the xa then why did they mark it for the tc, just cause they fit dosn't meen that it's going to be the same?
I also used my tape measure set it flush against the plastic part of the center console the vertical part and the end of the tape on the back side of the shift **** in third it was at 8 3/4",in neutral 10 1/2",and in forth 12 1/4" I can get a pic if you need a visual.
aarontrini85 if this is the same shifter for the xa then why did they mark it for the tc, just cause they fit dosn't meen that it's going to be the same?
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Originally Posted by STAT
thanks for the pics shadowhawk, I checked and my index is about the middle of the dial also,
I also used my tape measure set it flush against the plastic part of the center console the vertical part and the end of the tape on the back side of the shift **** in third it was at 8 3/4",in neutral 10 1/2",and in forth 12 1/4" I can get a pic if you need a visual.
aarontrini85 if this is the same shifter for the xa then why did they mark it for the tc, just cause they fit dosn't meen that it's going to be the same?
I also used my tape measure set it flush against the plastic part of the center console the vertical part and the end of the tape on the back side of the shift **** in third it was at 8 3/4",in neutral 10 1/2",and in forth 12 1/4" I can get a pic if you need a visual.
aarontrini85 if this is the same shifter for the xa then why did they mark it for the tc, just cause they fit dosn't meen that it's going to be the same?
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well that's good to know, it sucks that they don't really advertise that it's the same one for all three save the small print, talk about missleading.
so dose this meen that it's only adjustable for the xa xb? since the tc has a shorter shifter overall than the others?
so dose this meen that it's only adjustable for the xa xb? since the tc has a shorter shifter overall than the others?
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Adding in info from Perrin tech dept
Hey STAT,
Thanks for measuring your shift locations. Think you can measure the height, too? from say, the plastic rim around the boot at the base of the shift lever to the top? maybe in first or something... so from the forward left corner of that rim.
A pic of one of your previous measurements would be nice, 'cause then I can be sure of putting the end of the tape measure in the same place you had yours.
One interesting thing is, the shifter does seem to take my hand much closer to the console... as when I'm shifted forward into third and fifth (which is where I notice it most often...guess i don't spend much time in first), I literally can just uncurl my index finger and touch the temperature dial.
That *seems* like it is closer than it was with the stock one....but I can't remember...
...anyway...if ya can put a pic up of your tape actually measuring one of those positions, I can replicate with the perrin and report back.
As for info from perrin, I'd had this email exchange with their tech department (it's kinda long, and of course, the oldest part is at the bottom), saying basically, I should definitely be able to lower it two inches from stock, so I don't know what's up (I replaced my real name with "Shadowhawk" in the emails below):
Thanks for measuring your shift locations. Think you can measure the height, too? from say, the plastic rim around the boot at the base of the shift lever to the top? maybe in first or something... so from the forward left corner of that rim.
A pic of one of your previous measurements would be nice, 'cause then I can be sure of putting the end of the tape measure in the same place you had yours.
One interesting thing is, the shifter does seem to take my hand much closer to the console... as when I'm shifted forward into third and fifth (which is where I notice it most often...guess i don't spend much time in first), I literally can just uncurl my index finger and touch the temperature dial.
That *seems* like it is closer than it was with the stock one....but I can't remember...
...anyway...if ya can put a pic up of your tape actually measuring one of those positions, I can replicate with the perrin and report back.
As for info from perrin, I'd had this email exchange with their tech department (it's kinda long, and of course, the oldest part is at the bottom), saying basically, I should definitely be able to lower it two inches from stock, so I don't know what's up (I replaced my real name with "Shadowhawk" in the emails below):
Thanks again Shadowhawk,
1) Yes that is correct. You may be able to go even lower than 2" but
it might require some messaging of the sheet metal under the shifter
box.
2) The **** will fit perfectly. Our shifter is the exact same thread
pitch as the original.
3) You may have to raise the plastic around the boot (console trim)
to access the shifter adjustment screws.
Again, Thanks for asking!
PERRIN TECH DEPT.
503-643-4677 VOICE
503-644-9857 FAX.
TECH@PERRINPERFORMANCE.COM
On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:24 PM, Shadowhawk wrote:
> Thanks for the quick response!
>
> Here are a few more question just to cover all the details...
>
> 1) When you say "stock height" in your answer below, you *are*
> referring to the stock tC shifter's height, right? so the Perrin one
> can go from the tC shifter's stock height to two inches shorter than
> that, for an adjustable range of two inches? So it can't get quite
> as short as the TWM shifters 2.5inch drop (which is just fine with
> me, as that one's too short for me anyway.)
>
> 2) There should be no threading surprises, right? So the TRD leather
> shift **** should fit/work on your product? (I'm new to modding in
> general, and certainly modding the shifter as part of that.)
>
> 3) The "boot" is that leather-like cover that goes from the console
> to the shift-shaft, right? It's attached to the console, isn't it?
> Does that mean that, in order to get to the adjustment screws, I'd
> have either detach the boot from the console or maybe take the
> console up or...something?
>
> Thanks!
> => Shadowhawk
>
>
> --- TECH <tech@perrinperformance.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks for the mail! Our shifter should be perfect for what you are
>>
>> looking for! YOU get to determine the height of the ****. By
>> loosening the adjustment screws you can raise or lower the ****
>> height and throw to what ever you deem best for you. (This is a
>> HUGE
>> benefit over other choices because they only allow you one setting
>>
>> and that is it!) You can place it at stock height to as much as two
>>
>> inches lower than stock. You can make this adjustment at any time
>> after installation. You only need to raise the boot to reach the
>> adjustment screws.
>>
>> This shifter works on all std. shift SCION models including the TC.
>>
>> The description should say "hardened steel construction makes the
>> shifter shaft nearly indestructible."
>>
>> As always, please let us know how we can help in any way or to
>> place
>> an order give us a call.
>>
>> PERRIN TECH DEPT.
>> 503-643-4677 VOICE
>> 503-644-9857 FAX.
>> TECH@PERRINPERFORMANCE.COM
>>
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:20 PM, Shadowhawk wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm about to get a 2006 Scion tC, and I'm looking for a short
>>>
>> throw
>>
>>> shifter that also lowers the stock height of the ****.
>>>
>>> The TRD one maintains the stock height, so that's not good
>>> enough(though I really like their leather shift ****); I haven't
>>>
>> seen
>>
>>> that one in person. The TWM one feels great, and the throws are
>>> nicely short and tight, but the height of the **** is just too
>>>
>> short.
>>
>>>
>>> Your adjustable shifter for the scion looks like it's for the xB:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> http://www.perrinperformance.com/Pro...rt_Shifter.htm
>
>>>
>>> Do you also have one for the tC? Is it adjustable enough to
>>>
>> lower
>>
>>> the height as much as two inches from the stock height? What's
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> range on that? say, from -x inches relative to stock height to +y
>>> inches? (oh, and the 2006 tC shifter is no different from the
>>>
>> 2005
>>
>>> shifter, as far as I know)
>>>
>>> Also, does your product come with a shfit ****? The description
>>>
>> says
>>
>>> "All steel construction makes the **** virtually unbreakable. Use
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> stock shift **** or upgrade to the PERRIN Performance™ shift
>>>
>> ****."
>>
>>> But the picture does not show a shift ****.
>>>
>>> It sounds like, after installation, you can still adjust the
>>>
>> height
>>
>>> of the shifter/****...is that done without tools/taking anything
>>> apart (like, say, I want to try to adjust it a *bit*
>>>
>> higher/shorter
>>
>>> while stopped at a stop light or something), and it'll still stay
>>> securely set to that height as I shift thereafter? I'm not
>>>
>> exactly
>>
>>> skeptical, but just a little amazed at the thought, so I figured
>>>
>> it'd
>>
>>> be safest to just confirm that.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time and attention! Your product sounds like it
>>> might just be perfect for what I need!
>>> => Shadowhawk
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
1) Yes that is correct. You may be able to go even lower than 2" but
it might require some messaging of the sheet metal under the shifter
box.
2) The **** will fit perfectly. Our shifter is the exact same thread
pitch as the original.
3) You may have to raise the plastic around the boot (console trim)
to access the shifter adjustment screws.
Again, Thanks for asking!
PERRIN TECH DEPT.
503-643-4677 VOICE
503-644-9857 FAX.
TECH@PERRINPERFORMANCE.COM
On Jun 23, 2005, at 2:24 PM, Shadowhawk wrote:
> Thanks for the quick response!
>
> Here are a few more question just to cover all the details...
>
> 1) When you say "stock height" in your answer below, you *are*
> referring to the stock tC shifter's height, right? so the Perrin one
> can go from the tC shifter's stock height to two inches shorter than
> that, for an adjustable range of two inches? So it can't get quite
> as short as the TWM shifters 2.5inch drop (which is just fine with
> me, as that one's too short for me anyway.)
>
> 2) There should be no threading surprises, right? So the TRD leather
> shift **** should fit/work on your product? (I'm new to modding in
> general, and certainly modding the shifter as part of that.)
>
> 3) The "boot" is that leather-like cover that goes from the console
> to the shift-shaft, right? It's attached to the console, isn't it?
> Does that mean that, in order to get to the adjustment screws, I'd
> have either detach the boot from the console or maybe take the
> console up or...something?
>
> Thanks!
> => Shadowhawk
>
>
> --- TECH <tech@perrinperformance.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks for the mail! Our shifter should be perfect for what you are
>>
>> looking for! YOU get to determine the height of the ****. By
>> loosening the adjustment screws you can raise or lower the ****
>> height and throw to what ever you deem best for you. (This is a
>> HUGE
>> benefit over other choices because they only allow you one setting
>>
>> and that is it!) You can place it at stock height to as much as two
>>
>> inches lower than stock. You can make this adjustment at any time
>> after installation. You only need to raise the boot to reach the
>> adjustment screws.
>>
>> This shifter works on all std. shift SCION models including the TC.
>>
>> The description should say "hardened steel construction makes the
>> shifter shaft nearly indestructible."
>>
>> As always, please let us know how we can help in any way or to
>> place
>> an order give us a call.
>>
>> PERRIN TECH DEPT.
>> 503-643-4677 VOICE
>> 503-644-9857 FAX.
>> TECH@PERRINPERFORMANCE.COM
>>
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2005, at 12:20 PM, Shadowhawk wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm about to get a 2006 Scion tC, and I'm looking for a short
>>>
>> throw
>>
>>> shifter that also lowers the stock height of the ****.
>>>
>>> The TRD one maintains the stock height, so that's not good
>>> enough(though I really like their leather shift ****); I haven't
>>>
>> seen
>>
>>> that one in person. The TWM one feels great, and the throws are
>>> nicely short and tight, but the height of the **** is just too
>>>
>> short.
>>
>>>
>>> Your adjustable shifter for the scion looks like it's for the xB:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> http://www.perrinperformance.com/Pro...rt_Shifter.htm
>
>>>
>>> Do you also have one for the tC? Is it adjustable enough to
>>>
>> lower
>>
>>> the height as much as two inches from the stock height? What's
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> range on that? say, from -x inches relative to stock height to +y
>>> inches? (oh, and the 2006 tC shifter is no different from the
>>>
>> 2005
>>
>>> shifter, as far as I know)
>>>
>>> Also, does your product come with a shfit ****? The description
>>>
>> says
>>
>>> "All steel construction makes the **** virtually unbreakable. Use
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> stock shift **** or upgrade to the PERRIN Performance™ shift
>>>
>> ****."
>>
>>> But the picture does not show a shift ****.
>>>
>>> It sounds like, after installation, you can still adjust the
>>>
>> height
>>
>>> of the shifter/****...is that done without tools/taking anything
>>> apart (like, say, I want to try to adjust it a *bit*
>>>
>> higher/shorter
>>
>>> while stopped at a stop light or something), and it'll still stay
>>> securely set to that height as I shift thereafter? I'm not
>>>
>> exactly
>>
>>> skeptical, but just a little amazed at the thought, so I figured
>>>
>> it'd
>>
>>> be safest to just confirm that.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time and attention! Your product sounds like it
>>> might just be perfect for what I need!
>>> => Shadowhawk
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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i would tell perin you want a refund and just get the cc or the twm its considered wire fraud since he told you it can be droped 2" from stock and when you drop it all the way it is at roughly stock height i know its not 2" beoucse my twm looks way lower then yours does it thoughs pics
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shadowhawk I can get that for you but it will have to be next week, I'm out of town right now, I get back on monday, I do know that I can put my index finger on the dial, I nomaly mess with it on long drives, but then again two differant people two differant hands, I'll look into getting a friend to post the pix, and messureing the hight but not sure if he'll have time, if not like I said I'll be back monday.
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Actually, after paying more close attention yesterday and today... When shifted into the forward gears (1, 3, and 5), I can't actually even uncurl my finger... with my palm resting on the shift ****, I touch the center of the temperature dial with my knuckle (first one out from the palm)...in at least one of those gears, I can't even straighten to that knuckle.
...which seems closer than it was...
anyway...yeah, pics whenever.
aarontrini85, I'd consider contacting perrin about it if I'd purchased from them, but I bought it from North American Motorsports (namorsports.net); their return policy seems to indicate that, once it's been installed, I can't return it.
...which seems closer than it was...
anyway...yeah, pics whenever.
aarontrini85, I'd consider contacting perrin about it if I'd purchased from them, but I bought it from North American Motorsports (namorsports.net); their return policy seems to indicate that, once it's been installed, I can't return it.
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ok sorry I'll get the pixs tomorrow, my flight back to KY was overly anoying and I got in over 6 hours late 
, and all I want to do is sleep 
, but I did mesure the shifter hight, and with it in third from the silver or gray plastic around the boot, to the top of the shift **** is about 6 1/2". I'll get some pixs of that as well after I get off work.
, and all I want to do is sleep , but I did mesure the shifter hight, and with it in third from the silver or gray plastic around the boot, to the top of the shift **** is about 6 1/2". I'll get some pixs of that as well after I get off work.
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that's great stat! I'll look for a chance to do measurements tonight. Think you could also measure the width/length/whatever of the tape measure body itself?
If ya don't do that, I'll just report my numbers without the tape measure part, and report the tapbe measure... I guess the important thing is the difference between the positions, anyway, rather than the absolute measures.
If ya don't do that, I'll just report my numbers without the tape measure part, and report the tapbe measure... I guess the important thing is the difference between the positions, anyway, rather than the absolute measures.
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k... I couldn't do it last night...packing for a trip...but I'll be back on Monday. So maybe Monday night or Tuesday night I'll be recovered enough to do it.
:-)
...Oh! and I took my car in to get its oil changed, and the mechanic (none other than our own XAScionicle) said that that the throws were *definitely* shorter than stock, especially into 2nd and 4th.
Hm. Seems I could pay more attention... Still...measurements a-comin'.
:-)
...Oh! and I took my car in to get its oil changed, and the mechanic (none other than our own XAScionicle) said that that the throws were *definitely* shorter than stock, especially into 2nd and 4th.
Hm. Seems I could pay more attention... Still...measurements a-comin'.
and go with something that 'might' fit.