Port and Polish w Valve Job!
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Port and Polish w Valve Job!
Ok guys, I just bought a new head yesterday for $150 and I'll be sending it out Monday for a few weeks to get worked on. 
Ive been looking for actual numbers (not opinion or guess-timations
), dyno or factual information from experience. Also... Is anybody here already running a set up with PnP??? Any advice or problems that you've encountered would be helpful. Thanks!!!
Ive been looking for actual numbers (not opinion or guess-timations
), dyno or factual information from experience. Also... Is anybody here already running a set up with PnP??? Any advice or problems that you've encountered would be helpful. Thanks!!!
new head for 150, that's a good price.. i'de like to see how much it helps with the flow, usually people who have them also have built internals so its hard how to know how much gains you get from PnP alone.. but it was really tempting to do this seeing how thick we can scape from the stock haha
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I dont mind paying more i just want to make sure that the system i purchase will do the job right. I hear that the standalone and greddy have different features. Im just not sure which one is best. Everyone has there opinion. Who has facts?!
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a standalone replaces the stock ecu.. a piggyback does exactly what it's called.. it just overrides the ignition and fuel of the stock ecu.. that's why it's the cheaper alternative.. but if you have the cash.. go full standalone..
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The AEM F/IC is an economical solution for controlling fuel and ignition on vehicles that do not require stand-alone engine management, including variable cam timing engines like VTEC, VVTi and MiVEC.
Overview
The F/IC is a PC programmable unit that gives users with OBD-II vehicles and non-factory forced induction systems the ability to retard ignition and deliver accurate amounts of fuel without the need for outdated FMUs or ''boost hiding'' controllers. This system works parallel to the factory ECU preventing tuning limitations due to complex factory timing patterns and will not cause a check engine light (CEL).
Precise Fuel Delivery
The F/IC intercepts the signal to the stock injectors, allowing the user to modify pulse-width by +/-100%. The F/IC is the only piggy-back system that can decrease injector pulse-width, allowing the user to drive larger aftermarket injectors while still maintaining proper air / fuel ratios. This powerful system can also tap into the factory injector signal and work independently to drive up to six (6) additional injectors.
Timing Retard Control
The F/IC has the ability to retard timing by intercepting and delaying the outputs from the cam and crank position sensors to the engine - with no adverse affect on applications equipped with variable cam timing. The F/IC can retard timing from the factory system based on engine RPM and load inputs.
Sensor Calibration and Control
The F/IC can also be used to recalibrate / clamp the MAF sensor, eliminating common problems with non-boosted factory MAFs. The on-board MAP sensor allows for proper fueling in boosted applications.
CAN-BUS SYSTEMS NOT AFFECTED
Since the F/IC works in conjunction with the factory ECU, late-model vehicles equipped with a CAN-BUS system retain functionality of climate controls, dash and other components on the network.
Key Features:
Works with latest OBD-II vehicles including variable valve control
Variable Valve timing controller based on Engine RPM and Load
Six (6) injector inputs with simulated injector load used when remapping OEM injectors
Six (6) fuel injector controllers for either remapping of ECU output (+/- 100% trim) or as a stand-alone extra injector driver
21x17 maps with configurable load and RPM breakpoints
Analog in / out for remapping / clamping MAF
F/IC draws power from PC USB interface for quick and easy calibration changes
64kb on-board data logger
Drives high impedence injectors or low impedence injectors with use of Peak & Hold Injector Driver Box
Three (3) channels of timing retard
Supports MAG or HALL sensor types
On board 41PSIA (approx. 25PSI boost) manifold pressure sensor
Windows-based Tuning Software
Price for the unit is around 400 not 2000, right??
Overview
The F/IC is a PC programmable unit that gives users with OBD-II vehicles and non-factory forced induction systems the ability to retard ignition and deliver accurate amounts of fuel without the need for outdated FMUs or ''boost hiding'' controllers. This system works parallel to the factory ECU preventing tuning limitations due to complex factory timing patterns and will not cause a check engine light (CEL).
Precise Fuel Delivery
The F/IC intercepts the signal to the stock injectors, allowing the user to modify pulse-width by +/-100%. The F/IC is the only piggy-back system that can decrease injector pulse-width, allowing the user to drive larger aftermarket injectors while still maintaining proper air / fuel ratios. This powerful system can also tap into the factory injector signal and work independently to drive up to six (6) additional injectors.
Timing Retard Control
The F/IC has the ability to retard timing by intercepting and delaying the outputs from the cam and crank position sensors to the engine - with no adverse affect on applications equipped with variable cam timing. The F/IC can retard timing from the factory system based on engine RPM and load inputs.
Sensor Calibration and Control
The F/IC can also be used to recalibrate / clamp the MAF sensor, eliminating common problems with non-boosted factory MAFs. The on-board MAP sensor allows for proper fueling in boosted applications.
CAN-BUS SYSTEMS NOT AFFECTED
Since the F/IC works in conjunction with the factory ECU, late-model vehicles equipped with a CAN-BUS system retain functionality of climate controls, dash and other components on the network.
Key Features:
Works with latest OBD-II vehicles including variable valve control
Variable Valve timing controller based on Engine RPM and Load
Six (6) injector inputs with simulated injector load used when remapping OEM injectors
Six (6) fuel injector controllers for either remapping of ECU output (+/- 100% trim) or as a stand-alone extra injector driver
21x17 maps with configurable load and RPM breakpoints
Analog in / out for remapping / clamping MAF
F/IC draws power from PC USB interface for quick and easy calibration changes
64kb on-board data logger
Drives high impedence injectors or low impedence injectors with use of Peak & Hold Injector Driver Box
Three (3) channels of timing retard
Supports MAG or HALL sensor types
On board 41PSIA (approx. 25PSI boost) manifold pressure sensor
Windows-based Tuning Software
Price for the unit is around 400 not 2000, right??
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Alright guys, I said goodbye to my new head today. Its going to take about 3 weeks or so.... great price as well, $750!!!! I wasnt able to take any pics (sorry) but ill make sure to get some when it comes in. Im debating about just getting an aftermarket head gasket or a stock oem. What do you guys think? (be able to back up your opinion with some facts)
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Originally Posted by ToyoCel
The AEM F/IC is an economical solution for controlling fuel and ignition on vehicles that do not require stand-alone engine management, including variable cam timing engines like VTEC, VVTi and MiVEC.
Overview
The F/IC is a PC programmable unit that gives users with OBD-II vehicles and non-factory forced induction systems the ability to retard ignition and deliver accurate amounts of fuel without the need for outdated FMUs or ''boost hiding'' controllers. This system works parallel to the factory ECU preventing tuning limitations due to complex factory timing patterns and will not cause a check engine light (CEL).
Precise Fuel Delivery
The F/IC intercepts the signal to the stock injectors, allowing the user to modify pulse-width by +/-100%. The F/IC is the only piggy-back system that can decrease injector pulse-width, allowing the user to drive larger aftermarket injectors while still maintaining proper air / fuel ratios. This powerful system can also tap into the factory injector signal and work independently to drive up to six (6) additional injectors.
Timing Retard Control
The F/IC has the ability to retard timing by intercepting and delaying the outputs from the cam and crank position sensors to the engine - with no adverse affect on applications equipped with variable cam timing. The F/IC can retard timing from the factory system based on engine RPM and load inputs.
Sensor Calibration and Control
The F/IC can also be used to recalibrate / clamp the MAF sensor, eliminating common problems with non-boosted factory MAFs. The on-board MAP sensor allows for proper fueling in boosted applications.
CAN-BUS SYSTEMS NOT AFFECTED
Since the F/IC works in conjunction with the factory ECU, late-model vehicles equipped with a CAN-BUS system retain functionality of climate controls, dash and other components on the network.
Key Features:
Works with latest OBD-II vehicles including variable valve control
Variable Valve timing controller based on Engine RPM and Load
Six (6) injector inputs with simulated injector load used when remapping OEM injectors
Six (6) fuel injector controllers for either remapping of ECU output (+/- 100% trim) or as a stand-alone extra injector driver
21x17 maps with configurable load and RPM breakpoints
Analog in / out for remapping / clamping MAF
F/IC draws power from PC USB interface for quick and easy calibration changes
64kb on-board data logger
Drives high impedence injectors or low impedence injectors with use of Peak & Hold Injector Driver Box
Three (3) channels of timing retard
Supports MAG or HALL sensor types
On board 41PSIA (approx. 25PSI boost) manifold pressure sensor
Windows-based Tuning Software
Price for the unit is around 400 not 2000, right??
Overview
The F/IC is a PC programmable unit that gives users with OBD-II vehicles and non-factory forced induction systems the ability to retard ignition and deliver accurate amounts of fuel without the need for outdated FMUs or ''boost hiding'' controllers. This system works parallel to the factory ECU preventing tuning limitations due to complex factory timing patterns and will not cause a check engine light (CEL).
Precise Fuel Delivery
The F/IC intercepts the signal to the stock injectors, allowing the user to modify pulse-width by +/-100%. The F/IC is the only piggy-back system that can decrease injector pulse-width, allowing the user to drive larger aftermarket injectors while still maintaining proper air / fuel ratios. This powerful system can also tap into the factory injector signal and work independently to drive up to six (6) additional injectors.
Timing Retard Control
The F/IC has the ability to retard timing by intercepting and delaying the outputs from the cam and crank position sensors to the engine - with no adverse affect on applications equipped with variable cam timing. The F/IC can retard timing from the factory system based on engine RPM and load inputs.
Sensor Calibration and Control
The F/IC can also be used to recalibrate / clamp the MAF sensor, eliminating common problems with non-boosted factory MAFs. The on-board MAP sensor allows for proper fueling in boosted applications.
CAN-BUS SYSTEMS NOT AFFECTED
Since the F/IC works in conjunction with the factory ECU, late-model vehicles equipped with a CAN-BUS system retain functionality of climate controls, dash and other components on the network.
Key Features:
Works with latest OBD-II vehicles including variable valve control
Variable Valve timing controller based on Engine RPM and Load
Six (6) injector inputs with simulated injector load used when remapping OEM injectors
Six (6) fuel injector controllers for either remapping of ECU output (+/- 100% trim) or as a stand-alone extra injector driver
21x17 maps with configurable load and RPM breakpoints
Analog in / out for remapping / clamping MAF
F/IC draws power from PC USB interface for quick and easy calibration changes
64kb on-board data logger
Drives high impedence injectors or low impedence injectors with use of Peak & Hold Injector Driver Box
Three (3) channels of timing retard
Supports MAG or HALL sensor types
On board 41PSIA (approx. 25PSI boost) manifold pressure sensor
Windows-based Tuning Software
Price for the unit is around 400 not 2000, right??
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wow it does do everything! but i think ill be getting the piggy back only though. all i really need it for is just to control my a/f ratio so i dont run lean. is there any reason why you think i should spend 2000? does the stand alone do something else that ill need. my goal is to get around 230-250 all motor. whatcha think?
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oh if that's it a piggyback will do just fine.. if you want you can pick up this thing on dezods website that solves the partial throttle problem.. but it's not a nessisity.. i'm not using it.. and i have the ultimate and i've fine with it..
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i know a shop that does it for evo's, you can call them up.. they're located in Colton, CA.. the shop is called tuningtechnologies.. they do tuning there too if you decide to pick up a piggyback.. and say Vince the asian kid with the black tc told you to go there.. = )