tranny problem: grinding 4th and 5th gear.
#21
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Hey, you're a pretty smart guy, so i'm sure you've already checked this, but is it possible that the tranny fluid is low? Being that some work was done, they may have lost some fluid and neglected to fill it back up.
Just a thought, as it could be an easy oversight.
Just a thought, as it could be an easy oversight.
#23
well, the bad news is in...i'm screwed...they said my 5th gear is fried, and alot of my other gears are bad because of how they correlate with eachother...and they can't blame the transmission, or the differential because the clutch, flywheel and clutchline aren't factory units...
called p-tuning to let them know what fitzmall said...they might talk to fitz to get a better explanation since some of their vocabulary was beyond my retention.
so they are putting it back, i asked them to upgrade from my stock clutch to the trd clutch...and i'm out like 2 grand.
if i had any money, i think i'd turn to drinking...
called p-tuning to let them know what fitzmall said...they might talk to fitz to get a better explanation since some of their vocabulary was beyond my retention.
so they are putting it back, i asked them to upgrade from my stock clutch to the trd clutch...and i'm out like 2 grand.
if i had any money, i think i'd turn to drinking...
#24
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thats mad weak...I had the clutchmasters stage 2 and fidanza fly on my car and never had any grinding whatsoever. It seems like an install error if you ask me
#25
How the hell did the clutch screw up 4th and 5th gear only? Since they are the last gears on the shaft I think they were not installed properly when the case was reassembled. A few gears, bearings and syncs cant cost that much to get replaced.
#26
okay...so here is what is wrong with my car:
the synchronizer for 5th gear is in three pieces, because it was broken/misaligned whatever durring the re-installation of my transmission. the dealership assured me that there is absolutely no possible way for a tc to break that synchro. not even super or turbocharged.
they then showed me my "lock nut" or whatever. it was all gnarled up. they said this is my original lock nut, that has to come off at some point during the installation, but when you take off this lock nut, you DO NOT re-use it. it is a $4 dollar part, you throw it away and put on another one.
then, it is held in place with a "cotter" pin or something to that effect. but my cotter pin was nowhere to be found. the dealership guesses that at some point it was dropped and lost and were unable to find it, and so they just replaced it with safety wire...which didn't really work as we can see by my results.
so luckily the synchronizer for 5th gear held together until the transmission was teared down by the dealership, because if it had come apart while driving, i'd be looking at $2800 for a new transmission. so atleast that was very lucky.
it was such a sad sight to see my car up on a lift with the tranny lying underneath it, with the broken bit near it. poor thing completely unable to move under its own power...waiting for those new nuts and pins to come so it can be reinstalled. hopefully it will be ready wednesday/thursday...and hopefully the proper arrangements can be made.
the synchronizer for 5th gear is in three pieces, because it was broken/misaligned whatever durring the re-installation of my transmission. the dealership assured me that there is absolutely no possible way for a tc to break that synchro. not even super or turbocharged.
they then showed me my "lock nut" or whatever. it was all gnarled up. they said this is my original lock nut, that has to come off at some point during the installation, but when you take off this lock nut, you DO NOT re-use it. it is a $4 dollar part, you throw it away and put on another one.
then, it is held in place with a "cotter" pin or something to that effect. but my cotter pin was nowhere to be found. the dealership guesses that at some point it was dropped and lost and were unable to find it, and so they just replaced it with safety wire...which didn't really work as we can see by my results.
so luckily the synchronizer for 5th gear held together until the transmission was teared down by the dealership, because if it had come apart while driving, i'd be looking at $2800 for a new transmission. so atleast that was very lucky.
it was such a sad sight to see my car up on a lift with the tranny lying underneath it, with the broken bit near it. poor thing completely unable to move under its own power...waiting for those new nuts and pins to come so it can be reinstalled. hopefully it will be ready wednesday/thursday...and hopefully the proper arrangements can be made.
#27
why are you paying for someone elses mistake. your transmission didn't get put back together correctly and now your going to flip the bill.
I a mercedes-benz tech and if I mess up a car or have a comeback I have to eat it.
so many young people get screwed from lack of research or just bending over and taking it.
you should have never taken your car to the dealership. P-tuning did the work and the problems happened after the install. I'm willing to be that they just slapped your tranny back togther to get it out the door. probably didn't check preload, endplay, yada yada. syncros just don't go out over night. they go from ____ poor driving and/or improper clearences.
also why the heck did you get a LW flywheel. there not needed, cause tons of chatter and mostly a waste of money.
Id call p-tuning and give them hell
I a mercedes-benz tech and if I mess up a car or have a comeback I have to eat it.
so many young people get screwed from lack of research or just bending over and taking it.
you should have never taken your car to the dealership. P-tuning did the work and the problems happened after the install. I'm willing to be that they just slapped your tranny back togther to get it out the door. probably didn't check preload, endplay, yada yada. syncros just don't go out over night. they go from ____ poor driving and/or improper clearences.
also why the heck did you get a LW flywheel. there not needed, cause tons of chatter and mostly a waste of money.
Id call p-tuning and give them hell
#28
i would have taken it to p-tuning asap, but the problem is i had just started school in frostburg maryland, about 3 hours from p-tuning, and they wouldn't have a loaner car to provide me with while they are finding what is wrong.
my dealership on the otherhand provides me with a loaner car for as long as they are working on my car, which is what i need because i have to get to school and work.
and i put on the lightweight flywheel because i wanted to reduce rotation mass for faster turbo spooling. and it doesn't clatter either, just grinds...
but why pay to swap only a clutch when the flywheel and lsd are right there.
and yeah, i'm mad that my tranny just got put back together like that. i told them they have plenty of time to work on my car, i could do without it for 2 whole weeks, so yeah, if they just slapped it back together and rushed, it was for absolutely no reason.
and i did take it back to p-tuning when i couldn't get into reverse, but all they did was really just bleed and clutchline, because 5th wasn't grinding.
and i was doing any p!$$ poor driving either, i set the trip meter because you need to baby the clutch for 500 miles, then when i got to 500 miles, it started grinding 5th before i even got a chance to wail on it.
my dealership on the otherhand provides me with a loaner car for as long as they are working on my car, which is what i need because i have to get to school and work.
and i put on the lightweight flywheel because i wanted to reduce rotation mass for faster turbo spooling. and it doesn't clatter either, just grinds...
but why pay to swap only a clutch when the flywheel and lsd are right there.
and yeah, i'm mad that my tranny just got put back together like that. i told them they have plenty of time to work on my car, i could do without it for 2 whole weeks, so yeah, if they just slapped it back together and rushed, it was for absolutely no reason.
and i did take it back to p-tuning when i couldn't get into reverse, but all they did was really just bleed and clutchline, because 5th wasn't grinding.
and i was doing any p!$$ poor driving either, i set the trip meter because you need to baby the clutch for 500 miles, then when i got to 500 miles, it started grinding 5th before i even got a chance to wail on it.
#31
Originally Posted by rrimportracer
I have the grinding problem with my car to, but i installed my own clutch.
btw what lock nut are you talking about?
btw what lock nut are you talking about?
#33
yeah, but apparently there is this one lock nut and cotter pin that is extremely important and if you remove it, you don't reuse it, and mine was all gnarled up, and the cotter pin was missing, and it was being held in place with safety wire.
i'm not a mechanic or toyota tech, that is why i payed professionals to do this work for me, and the still screwed up.
i'm not a mechanic or toyota tech, that is why i payed professionals to do this work for me, and the still screwed up.
#38
Originally Posted by rrimportracer
no, but there still are no lock nuts on the tranny with cotter pins
the lsd bolts on to where the axles go in no?
what does that have to do with messed up gears?
the lsd bolts on to where the axles go in no?
what does that have to do with messed up gears?
#40
the dealership has already faxed a documented list of problems with their reinstallation of my transmission, and the service manager was even nice enough to take pictures of the parts and the damage and email them to p-tuning.