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Old May 7, 2005 | 04:47 PM
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That depends on the boost he wants to run. 2.5" exhaust is cool for running 6 psi i guess, but if he wants to run 10 or even 8 psi I'd definitly get the 3".
so if we take the tC and install a supercharger we would have to change the exhaust? i was thikning of getting the TRD exhaust and then SC when it comes out.
You could bolt on a super or turbo charger to the stock exhaust (san the exhaust manifold for turbo applications). However, you'll see far greater performance gains if you have a larger diameter exhaust. If you replace everything from the header on back, using 2.5" piping for the exhaust, and then add the supercharger you'll be fine. You do not have to step up to a 3" exhaust. But, by doing so you would see an increase in power. That said, using the TRD exhaust will grant you nothing, with or without the supercharger. Regardless of if you get the supercharger or not you'd want a complete exhaust system that replaces everything from the header flange on back if you're looking for an increase in performance. That means a kit with a replacement S-pipe, high-flow cat (or deletes the cat), mid-pipe, and axle back/muffler section. The 3 or 4 kits that include all of those parts all use 2.5" piping.

Regarding the intake, if you plan on buying the supercharger, do not buy an intake right now. Neither cold air or short ram. Yes, a supercharger can use an intake, in fact, there are pictures from Scion with the tC supercharged with a CAI, however, the intakes that are out now may not fit properly with the supercharger. So, unless you have money to burn, don’t take that chance. Just wait for the supercharger and then research what intakes will fit properly.
wowsers....thanks man, you ... are ... smart so you're basically suggesting if you were to get the SC to want to overhaul the exhaust sytem w/ 2.5" or even better 3"
Old May 7, 2005 | 05:04 PM
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wowsers....thanks man, you ... are ... smart so you're basically suggesting if you were to get the SC to want to overhaul the exhaust sytem w/ 2.5" or even better 3"
lol, thank you. :D

What I suggest depends on what you want to do. If you know you're getting the supercharger, but want an increase in performance now, then replace everything from the header on back, but leave the intake stock. Use an exhaust system from Alphawerks, Creative Compacts, or Draxas. They all use 2.5" piping, as well as replace the s-pipe. That should be a good size for a naturally aspirated engine, and when combined with a race header such as Alphawerks', WeaponR's, or Draxas', should net some very nice gains to tide you over while you wait. They also all either delete the secondary cat, or replace it with a high flow cat. That way when you add the supercharger, you'll already have a pretty free flowing exhaust system, and will only have to worry about finding an intake. If you don’t want to make any modifications now and will wait to do it all when you get the supercharger then I would suggest getting a 3" exhaust, such as one from Scion Speed. Be sure that the replacement exhaust includes an s-pipe. And of course, a header, and compatible intake. According to the last announcement (which was a while ago), the supercharger package will use a piggyback ECU. The ECU should be capable of adjusting the a/f ratios for those bolt on modifications. Although, as a side note, if you were to get an Emanage instead, and have it tuned at a shop, you'd probably see even better gains.
Old May 7, 2005 | 05:11 PM
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wowsers....thanks man, you ... are ... smart so you're basically suggesting if you were to get the SC to want to overhaul the exhaust sytem w/ 2.5" or even better 3"
lol, thank you. :D

What I suggest depends on what you want to do. If you know you're getting the supercharger, but want an increase in performance now, then replace everything from the header on back, but leave the intake stock. Use an exhaust system from Alphawerks, Creative Compacts, or Draxas. They all use 2.5" piping, as well as replace the s-pipe. That should be a good size for a naturally aspirated engine, and when combined with a race header such as Alphawerks', WeaponR's, or Draxas', should net some very nice gains to tide you over while you wait. They also all either delete the secondary cat, or replace it with a high flow cat. That way when you add the supercharger, you'll already have a pretty free flowing exhaust system, and will only have to worry about finding an intake. If you don’t want to make any modifications now and will wait to do it all when you get the supercharger then I would suggest getting a 3" exhaust, such as one from Scion Speed. Be sure that the replacement exhaust includes an s-pipe. And of course, a header, and compatible intake. According to the last announcement (which was a while ago), the supercharger package will use a piggyback ECU. The ECU should be capable of adjusting the a/f ratios for those bolt on modifications. Although, as a side note, if you were to get an Emanage instead, and have it tuned at a shop, you'd probably see even better gains.
good lord man... im gonna have to print this out for future reference

so i take it i would prolly have to take it to a shop to have all this done... should i order the parts and have them install or what? or would the dealer do this? i have no past w/ car mods as ive never really done anything w/ a car before except put a new head unit/speakers in my old ___ civic
Old May 7, 2005 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by finger11
good lord man... im gonna have to print this out for future reference

so i take it i would prolly have to take it to a shop to have all this done... should i order the parts and have them install or what? or would the dealer do this? i have no past w/ car mods as ive never really done anything w/ a car before except put a new head unit/speakers in my old ___ civic
Hehe, I still have my 91 Civic Hatchback. Standard! Not an Si or even a DX, its the STD model! lol Its got a D15B1, putting out a grand total of 70hp and 70lbs-ft of torque. lol It will be my project/experimentation car. ^^ What Civic do you have?

Personally, I think 1/2 of the joy in modding your car is doing it yourself. You gain a better understanding of the parts, your car, and how they interact together. As for you not having done any mods before, well, you have to start somewhere, and bolt-ons are a good place to start. ^^ You should pick up the service manual first. Dealerships may have them in stock for sale, but if they don’t, they should have the 1-800 number to call to order it. You could also download it, but I think you’ll find having the full reference in printed form far more convenient. This will be a great reference for you to look at before and while you're doing any work on the car. By looking at it beforehand you can figure out which tools you'll need, and if you think you may need some help. For the exhaust and header, I think you should definitely install it yourself. You'll save a lot of money and probably feel pretty proud of yourself and your car. For the supercharger, that depends. When it finally is released, get the installation instructions somehow, shouldn’t be hard, and look them over. If you feel you're up to the task, then go for it. As for tuning an Emanage, yeah, definitely a professional shop. It has to be tuned on a dyno and by someone who knows what they're doing. Other then that though, you could do everything yourself. And it would truly be your car. You’ll also have the satisfaction of knowing everything that went on during the install, and since you’re the one installing it, you can be as cautious and careful as you want to.
Old May 9, 2005 | 01:41 AM
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yea, i found this local guy on here who said he'd help me install a bunch of stuff on my car as he has his tC... he's put a ton of mods on it, interior and exterior...

anyways i have a '92 civic ex..4dr, i think its pumpin out 70hp too hahah...its only got 84k miles on it, but its a piece...the rims are *so* messed up the car shakes pretty bad when driving and the steering wheel basically has seizures all the time... i dont like taking it above 65 cause it gets downright scary
Old May 9, 2005 | 07:15 PM
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i am going to prolly now put a turbo on cuz im sick of waiting fot the dam SC its going to be winter in wisconsin when it comes out, and i dont want to install it then, if i put a turbo on, and only run up to prolly bout 8 psi, my stock internals should hold up correct. eventually i will upgrade things as i get more money, but gor now im going to leave everything stock except for the turbo
Old May 9, 2005 | 08:00 PM
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i am going to prolly now put a turbo on cuz im sick of waiting fot the dam SC its going to be winter in wisconsin when it comes out, and i dont want to install it then, if i put a turbo on, and only run up to prolly bout 8 psi, my stock internals should hold up correct. eventually i will upgrade things as i get more money, but gor now im going to leave everything stock except for the turbo
Quite frankly, going with a turbo package is probably going to make far more sense on a HP per dollar ratio then the supercharger kit. The TRD kits range from $2500 - $3600 (parts only), independent of engine size, so I would expect the tC's kit to fall somewhere in-between there. The price isn’t bad, but wont offer the performance of the turbo kits that are around the same price. If I were you, I would opt for one of the kits that comes with a pre-tuned piggy back ECU, like ZPIs. That is one less cost you would have to worry about.

That said, I still plan on going with the supercharger kit. Looking at Vortech's other superchargers, I see a lot potential performance with the kit, a lot which can be obtained with a different pulley.
Old May 10, 2005 | 01:11 AM
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I still plan on going with the supercharger kit. Looking at Vortech's other superchargers, I see a lot potential performance with the kit, a lot which can be obtained with a different pulley.
superchargers do benefit a great deal when modified with different sized pulleys. NST, www.NonStopTuning.com has some good info on pulleys and it looks like there are some things in development for the tC
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Originally Posted by 87na
I still plan on going with the supercharger kit. Looking at Vortech's other superchargers, I see a lot potential performance with the kit, a lot which can be obtained with a different pulley.
superchargers do benefit a great deal when modified with different sized pulleys. NST, www.NonStopTuning.com has some good info on pulleys and it looks like there are some things in development for the tC
That's a great find, thanks for the info.
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Originally Posted by JakeMafia
Hey guys well i know that SC wont be coming out ne time soon, so im going to take some of the money that i had for the sc and buy some performance parts, i just ordered my short throw, i have like $1500 left to spend, in know im going to get headers intake, full exhaust, ne thing else you guys can think of, Lowering springs?
What ever you decide make sure its slammed!!
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