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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 02:35 PM
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i've installed my f/r sways, shocks and springs. Is it possible to do the cluctch and flywheel in my garage without a lift? How much work will it take? thanks
Old Mar 28, 2006 | 02:54 PM
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I believe you have to drop the trans. Correct me if iam wrong.
Old Mar 28, 2006 | 02:57 PM
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He's right. You'll probably have to bring it to a shop. Toyota charts say it's a 6 hour job, so they can use that in a cost estimate. It cost me about $300 I believe. (It was awhile ago.)
Old Mar 28, 2006 | 04:44 PM
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you have to drop the trans, but you can do it in your garage on jackstands. I have done this with trannies before. Not a problem...you just have to be very careful as the weight is not centered. If you can chain it to a jack so it doesn't roll that would help. Make sure you have at least one other person there to help with the weight.
Old Mar 28, 2006 | 05:16 PM
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you have to tak off 2-3 motor mounts, have the engind supported or it will fall and break itself and the last motor mount, unbolt the tranny from the engine, pull it out from underneath the car,

(thats teh hard part)

the easy part is installing the clutch and flywheel.

then putting the tranny back on is a BI CH too.

highly recommend NOT doing it unless you know wat you are doing because the tranny is not light. its pretty heavy and ull either ne hunched over your engine bay for a very long time (thats if you dont have a lift and proper tools and doing it at home)
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agreed. I just did the installs on mine and I was at the shop till 4am! :\
Old Mar 28, 2006 | 10:34 PM
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i did it on my frends 2nd gen eclipse in his drive way with only HAND TOOLS, 4 jack stands, 2 jacks, and it took us 3 days...

yes no power tools, no air tools... ALL HAND POWER!!!

3 DAYS!!!!!

dont do it ever...
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did it on the xA myself, with help of a buddy. not a bad job, and the toyota recommend process is really lame, they have you take things off the car you should never have to touch..

then again.. the xA/B tranny weighs less than 80 lbs ;)
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It varies a HUGE amount car to car.. some dont allow enough room to separate the the tranny and engine.. so they both come out.. some do. Not sure on the tC. If you can separate the tranny from the engine (which looks possible) without dropping the engine, then it shouldnt be too bad... relatively. This is also assuming you have the right tools and have done a fair number of jobs this large before.

As far as the book saying to remove extra stuff.. believe it or not that is sometimes the easiest and fastest way. It sometimes seems like you are saving time by working around stuff, when overall it is costing you time. Anyone who has ever done anything to a POS GM quad four setup can vouch for that one! Remove it all till you get to the part you want
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I wouldn't if i were you...
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I do it myself. Of course I have not attempted the tC yet, but engifineer, I know exactly what you are talking about. I have done 5 GM 5-speeds on the quad 4. Just remove everything...it gives you more room to wrench and separate the tranny from the engine. I will be dropping the tC tranny at some point to install the LSD I have. I am actually looking forward to dropping the tranny and cracking it open. Manual trannies are fun. :D

Yeah, I'm sick...
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^^ I found the cure all for the Quad4 by the way... remove car from driveway.. replace with different car
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Originally Posted by PghtC
I do it myself. Of course I have not attempted the tC yet, but engifineer, I know exactly what you are talking about. I have done 5 GM 5-speeds on the quad 4. Just remove everything...it gives you more room to wrench and separate the tranny from the engine. I will be dropping the tC tranny at some point to install the LSD I have. I am actually looking forward to dropping the tranny and cracking it open. Manual trannies are fun. :D

Yeah, I'm sick...
where'd you copp the LSD at?

heh heh, manual trannies are MORe fun than AUTo's!!!!!
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 03:48 AM
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^^
LSD goes INSIDE the tranny... so you would have to OPEN it up
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 04:08 AM
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anyone have the average price of replacing a clutch...i have a feeling mine will go prematurely.
i'd like to get something like the clutchmasters fx100
i'd like something that will last longer than stock. not really looking for something that will allow me to race.
normal price for installation at a shop?
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yeah i dont know if i cant drive or what ( I did learn stick on this car......) but the mechanic at the dealer is telling me that my cluctch is almost gone. He has a hunch that i race my car ( I dont, cause its not fast, yet....) so im not sure if her being a ***** or not. I will say though, the clutch doesnt engange until the pedal is almost all the way at rest.

Crappy part is, i only have 16,800 miles on the car.

looks like im gonna get the stage 3 CM kit and get the dealer to install it.
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Ok...well I have a few things to respond to:

^^ I found the cure all for the Quad4 by the way... remove car from driveway.. replace with different car
Yeah, hence my tC...although my fully built, all motor Z24 was fun for a few years.

where'd you copp the LSD at?

heh heh, manual trannies are MORe fun than AUTo's!!!!!
I got a Phantom Grip off eBay for $113...some guy just wanted to get rid of it. Granted, it is not as good as the quaife will be, but damn...$113?? How could I pass it up??!!

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LSD goes INSIDE the tranny... so you would have to OPEN it up
Yeah hence what I said I was looking forward to doing.

anyone have the average price of replacing a clutch...i have a feeling mine will go prematurely.
Been driving it hard? If you lived nearby, I would help you out with changing it.

yeah i dont know if i cant drive or what ( I did learn stick on this car......) but the mechanic at the dealer is telling me that my cluctch is almost gone. He has a hunch that i race my car ( I dont, cause its not fast, yet....) so im not sure if her being a ***** or not. I will say though, the clutch doesnt engange until the pedal is almost all the way at rest.

Crappy part is, i only have 16,800 miles on the car.

looks like im gonna get the stage 3 CM kit and get the dealer to install it.
Damn...ride the clutch much? If the clutch goes at 17k miles, you should consider talking to the dealer...of course it is a wear item, so they won't cover it. I think the mechanic may be giving you a little bit of a hard time, but really you don't know unless you get a second opinion. Let the dealer look at it. They will be able to tell you. Just take it in and tell them it is not engaging properly and have them look at it.
Old Apr 15, 2006 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Harmonic_tC
yeah i dont know if i cant drive or what ( I did learn stick on this car......) but the mechanic at the dealer is telling me that my cluctch is almost gone. He has a hunch that i race my car ( I dont, cause its not fast, yet....) so im not sure if her being a ***** or not. I will say though, the clutch doesnt engange until the pedal is almost all the way at rest.

Crappy part is, i only have 16,800 miles on the car.

looks like im gonna get the stage 3 CM kit and get the dealer to install it.
My stock clutch is starting to slip at 22,000 miles. But I think I know why... I had heavy wheels (29lbs.) on them for about 3,000 miles. I don't think the tC has enough torque to push wheels this heavy especially at 5k-7k RPMs. Now, I have lightweight wheels and I am looking for an experienced, affordable shop to do the clutch replacement. Anyone know of any in SoCal?
Old Apr 16, 2006 | 08:04 PM
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i have an update that i forgot to post. The mechanic at the dealer was just being a *****. I went back and they had another mechanic look at it and he said it was fine and that it was just a "high engaging clutch" which could make it seem like the clutch is going bad.. They said i only have it worn down about 20-30%.

I didnt think i was bad at driving a manual. After all my jeep has 133000 miles still on the stock clutch so i was pretty sure it wasnt me.

as for installing a clutch, i got a quote from sound performance here in illinois and it was $350 for the flywheel and a clutch which is a great price i think!
Old Apr 17, 2006 | 03:50 AM
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correct me if wrong, i believe that one of the ways to check a clutch is to put it in 3rd gear and let the clutch out. it should pull if the clutch is still good.
is this true?
how else would you check for clutch wear?



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