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Old Jul 9, 2009 | 09:19 AM
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I recently got my car retuned and it put down 293 whp / 365 torque. I currently have the Exedy Stage 1 /w Fidanza lightened flywheel. From my understanding the clutch handles about 210 whp.

I don't know if it's my clutch I need to fix or my actual transmission..

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The other day when I was driving, I noticed my clutch stuck to the ground and I had to pry it up with my foot, but it still drove fine. Today I bleeded the clutch line, and then attempted to drive, then realized once I put the car into gear, and released the clutch and gave it some gas, the clutch pedal wouldn't pop back up, and even though the clutch pedal was stuck on the ground I could not pull the shifter into neutral, so I stepped on the brake to kill the car. I attempted to drive liek 5 times but same thing kept happening, clutch pedal would get stuck to the floor, and i couldnt pop it out of gear.

I'm pretty sure it's the actual clutch, but I want to make sure that my transmission is fine. I rarely ever rail on my car, I baby my clutch and my tranny. I just want to make sure that I get everything fixed correctly. What do you guys think the problem could be?

Please any help is appreciated!
Old Jul 9, 2009 | 10:46 AM
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It most likely is your clutch...

Do u ever track your car or Go hard on it??
Old Jul 9, 2009 | 12:01 PM
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Im not sure how the tC is laid out in terms of clutch setup, but I had this exact same problem on my old car. It sounds like it could be a clutch master or slave cylinder issue. From what I have read the clutch slave cylinder is shared with the brake master cylinder. Does your brake fluid appear low?

Some things to look for:
Look on or around the clutch pedal for liquid
Look around the brake fluid resovoir for leaks
Find out where the clutch master cylinder is and check how full or empty it is

If you baby your clutch and tranny like you say you do, I doubt it will be a clutch or tranny issue. Hope this helps, or at least gets you in the right direction.
Old Jul 9, 2009 | 12:10 PM
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I did a quick search and found this. I think this might be consistent with the issue you are experiencing.

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...aster+cylinder
Old Jul 9, 2009 | 02:28 PM
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I would start from the slave cylinder and work your way back. It sounds like it's coming from or around that area.
Old Jul 9, 2009 | 02:41 PM
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I'm having same problem. Any one with any experience with this problem could go through what the problems might be for those of us who are noobs to the clutch/transmission area. Thanks, JOE
Old Jul 9, 2009 | 03:01 PM
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The clutch gets pulled down like that when their is not enough pressure in the system to push is back to the upright position. This happens when air gets into the system.

You might want by checking the fluid levels in your brake fluid resevoir (as the fluid operates both the brakes and the clutch). If it is low, you might have a leak somewhere. Also, as XIEmperorIX said check the clutch slave cylinder (it's bolted onto the front of the engine midway down) for leaks.
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Originally Posted by nforce4
Im not sure how the tC is laid out in terms of clutch setup, but I had this exact same problem on my old car. It sounds like it could be a clutch master or slave cylinder issue. From what I have read the clutch slave cylinder is shared with the brake master cylinder. Does your brake fluid appear low?

Some things to look for:
Look on or around the clutch pedal for liquid
Look around the brake fluid resovoir for leaks
Find out where the clutch master cylinder is and check how full or empty it is

If you baby your clutch and tranny like you say you do, I doubt it will be a clutch or tranny issue. Hope this helps, or at least gets you in the right direction.

I did a quick search and found this. I think this might be consistent with the issue you are experiencing.

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...aster+cylinder

Thank you for the advice! I forgot to mention that yesterday we did check the brake fluid level and it was a tthe max level, we blead the clutch line, and double checked no leaks. The master/slave cylinder wasnt leaking at all and looked fine.

I have a feeling it could be the pressure plate of the clutch, but I don't know where to start. I'm pretty sure with a 150 torque increasse after my retune that it could definitely mess up a stage 1 clutch! Hopefully we figure this out
Old Jul 9, 2009 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dodaddy
Originally Posted by nforce4
Im not sure how the tC is laid out in terms of clutch setup, but I had this exact same problem on my old car. It sounds like it could be a clutch master or slave cylinder issue. From what I have read the clutch slave cylinder is shared with the brake master cylinder. Does your brake fluid appear low?

Some things to look for:
Look on or around the clutch pedal for liquid
Look around the brake fluid resovoir for leaks
Find out where the clutch master cylinder is and check how full or empty it is

If you baby your clutch and tranny like you say you do, I doubt it will be a clutch or tranny issue. Hope this helps, or at least gets you in the right direction.

I did a quick search and found this. I think this might be consistent with the issue you are experiencing.

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...aster+cylinder

Thank you for the advice! I forgot to mention that yesterday we did check the brake fluid level and it was a tthe max level, we blead the clutch line, and double checked no leaks. The master/slave cylinder wasnt leaking at all and looked fine.

I have a feeling it could be the pressure plate of the clutch, but I don't know where to start. I'm pretty sure with a 150 torque increasse after my retune that it could definitely mess up a stage 1 clutch! Hopefully we figure this out
Hey I asked Scionkidd in the other thread in a PM what the problem was and I posted the results on that thread. He said it was master cylinder failure.
Old Jul 9, 2009 | 07:41 PM
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^^ awesome!! thank you, did you get a chance to try replacing yours as well?
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Originally Posted by dodaddy
^^ awesome!! thank you, did you get a chance to try replacing yours as well?
I'm about to do that today in a little bit. I have to figure out how difficult this would be to do myself and how hard the part would be to find. My car is barely driveable right now. I have to burn out almost from every start and shift really quick and stay in gears for as long as possible to prevent the clutch from staying down.

I'll look for a DIY and try to figure out if this is a part the is generic or specific to the car and where I can get one. I've never bled lines before but here that that is simple enough and I think necessary for the install.

JOE
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 05:17 PM
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Great, so know the shop is telling me I need a clutch. FML.
Old Jul 10, 2009 | 09:36 PM
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^^ did you try replacing the master cylinder?
Old Jul 11, 2009 | 06:25 AM
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CAR FIXED!!!! Master Cylinder needed to be replaced.
Old Jul 12, 2009 | 06:07 PM
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Yea, found out that shop was definitely lying. It doesn't make any sense for it to be a clutch so I drove it over to another place and they say it's the slave cylinder. I'm not sure what the difference is between the master and slave cylinders but that makes more sense for it to be the problem rather than a clutch like the other place said. I should be fixed up midweek and I'll let you know what the problem is so that we can confirm that if the clutch pedal doesn't want to come back up then it is a cylinder. I guess if you could change the title of this thread so that it will be easier for people to find when they search clutch pedal stays pressed down or clutch pedal won't return, etc.

JOE
Old Jul 12, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dodaddy
CAR FIXED!!!! Master Cylinder needed to be replaced.
how many miles are on ur car?
Old Jul 12, 2009 | 11:33 PM
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i haveabout 54k miles
Old Jul 20, 2009 | 12:06 PM
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Problem was both slave cylinder and master cylinder. The shop said that when my clutch was installed that I should have bled the lines longer. I have 52 k miles on the car, 15k on the aftermarket clutch, 12 k on the turbo.
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