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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 08:21 PM
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Travis is not here right now but on his behalf he says that to achive 300WHP you need a lot more work. Thats the only thing that he has ever said about the s/c. So get the stick out of your butt cause this rivalry is over with buddy. Thank you for proving his point as you have cam work, meth kit, extra psi pulleys that require extra work that just, turning up the boost.
Old Dec 12, 2006 | 10:10 PM
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Travis is not here right now but on his behalf he says that to achive 300WHP you need a lot more work. Thats the only thing that he has ever said about the s/c. So get the stick out of your butt cause this rivalry is over with buddy. Thank you for proving his point as you have cam work, meth kit, extra psi pulleys that require extra work that just, turning up the boost.
Geez, does inbreeding kill your reading ability or something?

I've already said - Emanage & Water/Meth plus minor mods (pulleys are cheap) will get you to 280. No point has been proven except that. (edit: and as I've proven, you won't run out of fuel until you hit 296, which is already well over 300whp on a dynojet)

And at least that stick in my a$$ is keeping me from TALKING out of it, unlike the always-truthful, always-helpful and always-TIMELY folks at ZPI and their cheerleading team.
Old Dec 12, 2006 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by IceNine
Don't believe rhythmnsmoke. He has a vested interest in swinging people to ZPI. And that's that.
You speak the truth!!!
Old Dec 12, 2006 | 10:43 PM
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So is higher out possible with a automatic trans or do we just have to go turbo? Please help I need more hp's.....
Old Dec 12, 2006 | 10:43 PM
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It's possible. You'll need a decent tranny cooler, but there's no reason you couldn't hit 260+ like the turbo guys.
Old Dec 12, 2006 | 10:56 PM
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okay you def. just made my day thank you so much...now i have to express mail my christmas list to Santa!But if its okay I might be more in contact with you probably end jan. early feb.
Old Dec 12, 2006 | 10:58 PM
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I just want to know if 311whp with the blower will be enough to break into the high 13's if not low to flat 14's. I was only able to pull of a 14.9## with my blower and the NST pulley. But that was just all bolt on, no tuning or water/meth.
Old Dec 12, 2006 | 10:58 PM
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Fine by me AIM me, or email me at karl@weckstrom.com.
Old Dec 12, 2006 | 10:59 PM
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Wasnt there suppose to be an upgrade from TRD......I believe it was suppose to be an intercooler upgrade?
Old Dec 12, 2006 | 11:01 PM
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Not that I'm aware of... besides, there's really only one good intercooler for centrifugal superchargers - water/methanol injection. Anything that adds additional plumbing just means a boost loss that you won't be able to recover elsewhere.
Old Dec 13, 2006 | 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Robs_tc
I just want to know if 311whp with the blower will be enough to break into the high 13's if not low to flat 14's. I was only able to pull of a 14.9## with my blower and the NST pulley. But that was just all bolt on, no tuning or water/meth.
It will be more than enough. I should be pretty close to a flat 14 high 13 with my set-up, and im nowhere near as nice a set-up as Karl. I pulled a 9.19 in the 1/8th which should be good for a low 14 in the quarter, and this was on my first outing with the S/C... and not a bit of track practice to mention. Check out my Vid on YouTube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arfb4-gRw60
Old Dec 13, 2006 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by kungpaosamuraiii
Originally Posted by IceNine
I have ZERO respect for rhythmnsmoke, because he is nothing more than a ZPI cheerleader. But I can tell you - there is ZERO truth to what he says. It's NOT difficult to get a vortech supercharged tC to 300+ whp.

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Don't believe rhythmnsmoke. He has a vested interest in swinging people to ZPI. And that's that.
Jeez, would you drop it? It's starting to sound like you need justification for going supercharged on your tC. Rhythmnsmoke doesn't have any "vested interest" in ZPI other than that he knows the people personally. So ismokeguys got a free turbo; that's because she won it fair and square. Honestly, I hate supporting ZPI but aside from crappy shipping, they've done nothing but support the Scion community and they stick around even after all this anti-ZPI drama. I want to see more power out of supercharged tC's and the like but good grief, I'm getting sick of this.

AMEN brother! I don't even recall Bringing up ZPI's name ONCE in this thread....

Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Sorry, but I disagree. 300whp on the S/C is not an easy task. More mods, and more money must be thrown on top of the S/C just for it to even break 250whp. If it was that easy, then you would see more than 1, known S/C with 300hp #'s.
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You make it sound eaiser than it is. If it was that easy to just look at Karls list, and go slap on those mods, then we wouldn't have only 1 S/C with 300#'s and every other S/C on this board with barely 230whp. Cams in themselves is not a quick in and out job. The labor going into installing cams by itself is enough to hinder most of the teeny boppers on SL, who can't afford it.

Simple route would be to add nitrous to your S/C to make that 300whp mark.

Yep, just as I thought. NOT ONE TIME did I mention or even hint into "oh, you should buy a ZPI kit....YAAA!!".

Old Dec 13, 2006 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 06SuperWhite_SoCal_tC
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by krdshrk
There are a few key things that Karl runs to get to the 300 WHP point. #1 - Fuel Management (Greddy Emanage), Larger injectors (570cc but 550 will work), NST 12lb pulley, Cams, and meth injection.

The other mods he has are pretty trivial (Header/full exhaust, air filter, other various small mods).

It's entirely doable to reach 300 whp without purchasing a larger Vortec S/C (G-trim's cost about $4k i think).


You make it sound eaiser than it is. If it was that easy to just look at Karls list, and go slap on those mods, then we wouldn't have only 1 S/C with 300#'s and every other S/C on this board with barely 230whp. Cams in themselves is not a quick in and out job. The labor going into installing cams by itself is enough to hinder most of the teeny boppers on SL, who can't afford it.

Simple route would be to add nitrous to your S/C to make that 300whp mark.

It's not enough to scare me off... Next summer be on the look-out for my set-up... shootin for over 300whp aswell.

it's all a matter of preference that's all. No one should be scared of a challenge (however, the original thread starter should be well informed on what he is getting him/herself into before taking on the project).

I prefer the spool of a turbo over the whine of the S/C. Not to mention hearing that HKS purr...
Old Dec 13, 2006 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by IceNine
Jeez, would you drop it? It's starting to sound like you need justification for going supercharged on your tC. Rhythmnsmoke doesn't have any "vested interest" in ZPI other than that he knows the people personally. So ismokeguys got a free turbo; that's because she won it fair and square. Honestly, I hate supporting ZPI but aside from crappy shipping, they've done nothing but support the Scion community and they stick around even after all this anti-ZPI drama. I want to see more power out of supercharged tC's and the like but good grief, I'm getting sick of this.
I voice my opinion. Don't like it? Tough. I'm not here to play nice with shady dealers or people. ZPI and Rhythmnsmoke are on the top of my list of shady dealers and people and I don't think ANYONE should find anything they say as being trustworthy. If that makes my accomplishments any less valid, so be it. I won't sweat it.

Like I said before - the F-trim SC is fine. At 10lb boost it delivers 311whp with supporting mods, and the SC itself is capable of even more boost if you overdrive other pulleys. With proper internals, you could easily see 400whp or more.


OMG! Wow is all I can say. I just got back from ZPI tonight, picking up the car from a SICK AEM wideband install. Custom done, and it runs smooth as hell. We left the shop (Jester and I) around 10pm while Sean was still there boxing up Turbo kits to ship out before Fedex goes home for the night. If they were shady, he would be home sleeping instead of working....

I think you need Jesus man....I will pray for you...
Old Dec 13, 2006 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tCUZZ
Originally Posted by IceNine
Don't believe rhythmnsmoke. He has a vested interest in swinging people to ZPI. And that's that.
You speak the truth!!!


Again, where am I pushing anyone toward a particular product...PLEASE PLEASE quote me....WHERE dude, Seriously.


Karl, I think you have a hard on when you see my sn. You seriously have issues man. NO ONE SAID THAT IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE DUDE! I SAID IT WILL REQUIRE MORE WORK! WTF is up with that short attention span of yours. DAMN your annoying!

Honestly, how do anyone take what you say seriously, when the first thing out of trap is to bash me? Guess it must be that Negative campagining strategy. I don't know what your problem is with me, but it's OLD dude. I don't come into any thread starting **** just because you have a TRD S/C. Did you not get enough attention as a child or something? I must have really hurt your feelings when you came and linked your vid to my vid on youtube, and I said a 311whp S/C didn't bother me. I mean, are you upset that I didn't credit your work or something?

So, lets see, by that definition alone, we should disbelieve the following people...

1) Kenny, because he IS ZPI
2) Joe, because he backs Dezod
3) SimplyScion, because he use to have a tC with a S/C, and promoted that
4) Paul, because he IS Dezod
5) ScionDad, because he was probably the first F/I tC on SL and had a ZPI kit, and backed ZPI


Would you not agree that these people listed have been very contributable to the Scion Communtiy, and are very knowledgeable when it comes to F/I on the tC, and valuable to this SO-CALLED Community? If you don't know ALL of those listed, then you haven't been around long enough. God almighty people, when will you get a brain, and THINK FOR YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE! You manage to yet make another thread NEGATIVE, and it was UNProvoked! Just when I thought SL was getting along, you had to come along and *** stuff up. NEWS FLASH FOR YOU, WE ARE OVER THE "MY KIT IS BETTER THAN YOUR KIT" BS! If you look at Joes Recent thread "Daily Drivers", it has input from many people with all different kits. No one is bashing anyone, or anyones selected choice. GET ON MY LEVEL DOG! because your starting to make yourself look like an a$$hole! Maybe you like being one, to each their own, but when you start **** you better be prepared to back it up. Your A$$ BETTER be running LOW 13's HIGH 12's for as much BS that comes out your mouth. If you don't hit those #'s WITH YOU DRIVING, then crawl back into the hole from which you came, because I personally can do a lot better without you.

With that said, I will no longer engage in this verbal war with you (and honestly, I thought this **** was over with), but for some reason you think someone is bashing you, or bashing the S/C. Did this Thread have KARL'S Name on it somewhere? I don't think it did. Don't flatter yourself. This thread was not started about you, about your car, NOR about anything you done with it. Yet you turned it into a KARL thread. I don't know how many times I have ever said....I LiKE ALL TYPES OF F/I. Be it S/C, or T/C. Dosen't matter. What matters is ARE YOU FAST!


Listen dude, I'm trying to have a peaceful holiday, and welcoming of my new baby boy into the world. So, I'm only going to say this once, so listen up. I will be the bigger person, and tell you that you did a good job on your setup (don't know why you feel the need to seek my approval, but because I didn't credit you for your work, something is telling me that is why you have a grudge against me). For that I apologize bro. I would love nothing more than to oblige in a friendly race, to see how far along your ride has come. 300whp should be a base line for ALL tC's, when we are talking about F/I. On that note, I humbly ask that you burry this hatchet, as you are carrying a grudge against someone who has no grudge against you. We will disagree on things in the future, I'm sure, but man, life goes on dude. I have had my fair share of "keyboard Warrior" fights with the likes of SimplyScion, Joe Dezod, Paul, etc. The difference is, they aren't still hung up on something that happened over a month or two ago. Again man, I'm Sorry. I could have just congradulated you from the start. No harm no foul.

Peace and Happy Holidays to all, and to all a good night.
Old Dec 13, 2006 | 03:38 PM
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See guys this is how it should be on here^^^^^peace, love and happiness....I mean we all have the same car anyway, so we should be helping each other out achieve the most out of it instead of flaming each ohter(which btw Ive seen my fair share of on here and is about common in most thread) but yup good job both of you in your rides, I hope to achieve half of what you have in your rides, oh ya during these wars noobs are watching and I rescently had my cousin over to the house and we were going to pick up his new Tc and hey read through all the bashing of each other on this site(personhal grudges, asking ?'s before thinking or noobs) and now hes driving a 07 Civic Si so we lost one but anyways happy hollidays to everyone!
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
OMG! Wow is all I can say. I just got back from ZPI tonight, picking up the car from a SICK AEM wideband install. Custom done, and it runs smooth as hell. We left the shop (Jester and I) around 10pm while Sean was still there boxing up Turbo kits to ship out before Fedex goes home for the night. If they were shady, he would be home sleeping instead of working....

I think you need Jesus man....I will pray for you...
A "SICK AEM Wideband install"? lol, this just gets more funny as time goes by.

You weld a bung in the S-pipe for a simple bosch WO2 sensor. It isn't rocket science. All the AEM controller does is read the sensor. How would adding a wideband o2 controller affect how anything runs?

A wideband o2 controller and sensor is a MONITORING tool...

As for Jesus, I don't need that punk.
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Originally Posted by IceNine
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
OMG! Wow is all I can say. I just got back from ZPI tonight, picking up the car from a SICK AEM wideband install. Custom done, and it runs smooth as hell. We left the shop (Jester and I) around 10pm while Sean was still there boxing up Turbo kits to ship out before Fedex goes home for the night. If they were shady, he would be home sleeping instead of working....

I think you need Jesus man....I will pray for you...
A "SICK AEM Wideband install"? lol, this just gets more funny as time goes by.

You weld a bung in the S-pipe for a simple bosch WO2 sensor. It isn't rocket science. All the AEM controller does is read the sensor. How would adding a wideband o2 controller affect how anything runs?

A wideband o2 controller and sensor is a MONITORING tool...

As for Jesus, I don't need that punk.
Ok before you start shooting off again..the word "SICK" has several meanings in the car community....as for what Travis meant by "SICK" was the way that the wideband guage was mounted, it is amazing how far ignorance can take people. I am sure he will post some pictures of it soon, and he is right the "CUSTOM" mounting is SICK.
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this thred is funny....off topic but funny so IBTL!
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Originally Posted by IceNine
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
OMG! Wow is all I can say. I just got back from ZPI tonight, picking up the car from a SICK AEM wideband install. Custom done, and it runs smooth as hell. We left the shop (Jester and I) around 10pm while Sean was still there boxing up Turbo kits to ship out before Fedex goes home for the night. If they were shady, he would be home sleeping instead of working....

I think you need Jesus man....I will pray for you...
A "SICK AEM Wideband install"? lol, this just gets more funny as time goes by.

You weld a bung in the S-pipe for a simple bosch WO2 sensor. It isn't rocket science. All the AEM controller does is read the sensor. How would adding a wideband o2 controller affect how anything runs?

A wideband o2 controller and sensor is a MONITORING tool...

As for Jesus, I don't need that punk.


Sick.....Cool, Sweet, Rad, Awesome, Good looking, Tight, Crazy. All relative terms to describe something you find appealing. You find if funny, but honestly, I don't think the Jokes on me.... My SN does not say it, but I get the impression that you think I'm a teeny bopper on SL that just spout off random stuff. Dude, I'm a grown a$$ man. 27 years old, Bachelors Degree in Business Administration, with my Major being M.I.S. I work for Black Lab Security Systems Inc. (a Software Security company), and I like to mod cars as a hobby, because I like anything that goes fast, including Motorcycles.

wideband is only a MONITORING tool? Can someone please explains the benefits of having a Wideband when it comes to tuning your car vs. no Wideband. Kenny, Joe, Paul, Somebody....cause I got to go to lunch now.



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