Rob_DESCENDANT

The Manifold was not designed for N/A set-ups but customers will see around a 5 WHP & TQ gain as long as they already have 3" intake system, exhaust system & some sort of upgraded fuel map.

Rob_DESCENDANT

Once again...not true. Dyno sheet are posted with several different set-ups. If you are looking for something specific please let me know and I'll do my best to provide the most accurate info possible.

TUNING...yes, you're 100% correct. We NEVER once claimed this to be a "Bolt-ON" style components. This manifold was designed for customer wanting to MAXIMIZE their BOOSTED SET-UPS.

boosted239

link of the dyno sheet for the turbo tc with intake mani?

rougenite

iTrader: (1)

Hmmmmm might be lookin into one of these soon, although not needed yet, would be nice for expansion

BOOSTit06

Many potential customers on here but you havent put a dyno graph on here to show gains?

BOOSTit06

Install ins't to bad especially since it bolts right up without any modifications, just a little time consuming if your working on your back.

As for DYNO numbers our boosted 2AZFE customers can expect a minimum of 15% increase in WHP at low boost an as much as 25% on high boost applications. The CNC velocity stack runners & extra large aluminum plentum are the perfect combo for any forced induction application.

As for our NA customers they can expect anywhere from 18-25 WHP increase with this addition however we are actually getting ready to run several NA compraisons where we believe customer will be able to squezze even more power out of it with their NA 2AZFE's. I'll keep everyone posted as details become available.
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Something does not add up. you say MINIMUM of 15% increase in whp on low boost, and then say 8-12 whp for 8-12 psi. If my calculations are correct 15% of 300 whp(which you say your kits are capable of on 8psi) that is a gain of 45 whp. Not trying to start an argument, but I do not want Scion owners dissappointed when they drop 700$ on an intake manifold and do not see these type of results.

m6ar2cel6oTC

not trying to start anything. but if you put a dyno of before and after your put the intake manifold and a retune ofcorse and it did make good gains people will buy it. and ofcorse not messing with timing after you installed the manifold cause that does add some hp. especially getting someone from scionlife that everyone trusts will be worth yoru wild.

anyways so you have a dyno sheet of a boosted car and another dyno sheet of the same exact car with same mods and boost level but with just intake manifold put in and a retune. (ofcorse not messing with timing to add a couple more hp's just adjusting AFR)? cause i have yet to see a before and after dyno with just adding the intake mani.

game-over

Post them then. We've been waiting

I wanna see what your "set up" w/ and w/o the mani.

m6ar2cel6oTC

what manifold are you talking about n/a to expect 18-25 whp?

game-over

IDE imagin since you have a shop car and have this installed on other cars. Should be no problem getting the before and after right.

game-over

This is boosted.
That's what rib told me a year ago. That with there kit and the mani I would see about 335-345 whp on 8 psi

So I don't understand tge 8-10 whp claim

trd07tc

iTrader: (-1)

give me a manifold at a discount ill go dyno back to back at 20PSI
60-1
E85

m6ar2cel6oTC

i tryed before and spoke to rob on the phone a couple years back and he offered it to me 500 bucks. now if i owned a dyno ok. but since i dont doing a before dyno which around here is 75 bucks giver or take and then doing another one after installed is another 75 bucks so it wasnt worth it to me cause i will be paying full price.

rob you guys have a dyno at yoru facility?

game-over

^^^^ do you know how many people have said that same exact thing.

m6ar2cel6oTC

damn thats alot of power just on 8-10 psi? lol that would be great but doubt it. the way i see it the more boost the better for the manifold.

trd07tc

iTrader: (-1)

They can PM me if interested.
I dont mind putting a quality product on my car and helping them out at the same time.

Im just not looking to lose anything. I can always just buy it on my own and dont do a before and after

m6ar2cel6oTC

whens next traxk day and dyno day trd?

game-over

rob.. please dont go MIA in this thread for another 3 months....

please post your dyno sheets since you have "several set ups"

Un4Scene

This thread was started over a year ago. If a shop can't post up a dyno sheet after an entire year, then something isn't right. There's also the issue of Descendant's claims of power gains changing drastically since this product was first revealed.

I'd say this choice is a no-brainer. It's not worth it unless you actually need a more durable replacement for the stock intake manifold.

Rob, if I'm wrong, show us some proof. You told us almost a year ago that you would post dyno results here for us "next week". They're still not here. I don't mean to be rude but a classic phrase comes to mind...

Put up or shut up.

Rob_DESCENDANT

wow...you guys are relentless.

DYNO sheets related to this product have been posted here & there in the thread & on others since we started selling them and if you were honestly in the market for one of our DESCENDANT Intake manifold and were looking for DATA & not just busting my ***** you would have found it by now if you simply looked or picked up the phone to call us.

However, don't worry, I'm currently working on getting them scanned & online so that I can post them here on SL for all of you to see.