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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 01:07 AM
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just a thought and I know you probly spent a lot of money to begin with, but why dont you see if you can find a used motor out of a junked tC...it might be your best option as of now...then you can sit back and wait for the other pistons to come in and sell the block as a built block on ebay or to someone here once its finally completed
I looked in to getting a stock block but the cost was pretty unreasonable and I had no reason to believe that my pistons were going to take months to show up.
You should have got you pistons from www.Raceeng.com. You would have had them a long time ago. They only sell internals.
That's who I ordered from, they are less than 5 miles from my house. They dropped the ball several times on my order.
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well at least he offered to pay for your pistons...I would have him paypal you the $500 for the pistons and then just deal with it on your own...like I said, another $500 and you got yourself a block..hell, your gonna hafta pay to get the block put back into the car either way right, it doesnt matter if its a new one or the old bored out one
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It only takes me two weeks tops to get any pistons built to any specs that I need. I had my custom 2.7 pistons 6 days after I ordered them.

If you bored the stock block 20 over I wouldn't use it anyway. It needs to be sleeved. The stock block has very thin iron ductile sleeves that boring .20 over would pretty much negate. You wouldn't be able to run any amount of boost safely on that block now.

If you have questions or want some pistons soon, give me a call and ill work something out with you. Timing related ringland failure is a _____. You engine blew from a ____ty tune, no 2 ways about it.

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Old Jul 4, 2006 | 01:26 AM
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To put a stock motor in my car wouldn't be a small amount of work even to do it until the built motor is done. If I left the new stock motor in then I would be out all the money I have in the turbo kit and the new parts I already have for the built block plus my head is already ported. Might be more work in the wrong direction, then my luck the new pistons show up same day the motor is back in. It really makes me crazy...
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http://www.magnusmotorsports.com/
they specialize in evo's but do carry oversized pistons...Im sure they would know where to get some pistons for ya
edit...they also deal with other car manufacturers and do in house overboring of pistons...but Charles would probly be your best bet as of now
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It only takes me two weeks tops to get any pistons built to any specs that I need. I had my custom 2.7 pistons 6 days after I ordered them.

If you bored the stock block 20 over I wouldn't use it anyway. It needs to be sleeved. The stock block has very thin iron ductile sleeves that boring .20 over would pretty much negate. You wouldn't be able to run any amount of boost safely on that block now.

If you have questions or want some pistons soon, give me a call and ill work something out with you. Timing related ringland failure is a biscuit. You engine blew from a ____ty tune, no 2 ways about it.

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I'm going to assume that you get your pistons somewhere else than raceeng. Also, why wouldn't my engine builder or the machine shop have told me not to bore my motor?
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because they probly didnt know how thin the cylinder walls really are...I totally forgot about that...I think golden eagle was making iron sleeves for the 2az, but not 100% on it
Old Jul 4, 2006 | 01:44 AM
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All Pro Used Auto Parts in FL(Auburndale) has 3 tC motors with low miles on em for around $800. Would atleast make your car useable. Call em 1-800-551-8557

Sorry to hear about your luck, ZPI
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because they probly didnt know how thin the cylinder walls really are...I totally forgot about that...I think golden eagle was making iron sleeves for the 2az, but not 100% on it
Yup and they can take 70psi too!
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im glad you actually posted this stuff up bro...now with everyones help you can maybe get this car back on the road sooner than you thought...never like to see a man down regardless of what turbo kit he is rocking
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Golden Eagle does make sleeves. They are nice units, someone very close to me has them
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I'm all over the golden eagle site looking for anything 2azfe. The only Toyota motor I've seen anything for is a 2zz and I've never heard of that. Do you guys have a link to the sleeves. I'll order them now and pick up the stock sized pistons on Wednesday. I'm assuming I order the sleeves then the machine shop bores the cylinders to the specified size then installs the sleeves there. Then the engine builder installs the pistons/crank etc? Let me know if this is not the process for sleeves. Then I can tackle the turbo/tuning issues.
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You have to call Golden Eagle Directly.. They will take care of you..

Here is some pictures.
http://www.scion-tech.com/zerothread?id=469
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Originally Posted by Dyltone
I'm all over the golden eagle site looking for anything 2azfe. The only Toyota motor I've seen anything for is a 2zz and I've never heard of that. Do you guys have a link to the sleeves. I'll order them now and pick up the stock sized pistons on Wednesday. I'm assuming I order the sleeves then the machine shop bores the cylinders to the specified size then installs the sleeves there. Then the engine builder installs the pistons/crank etc? Let me know if this is not the process for sleeves. Then I can tackle the turbo/tuning issues.
You are going to need to send your block off to them and have it sleeved and then order some pistons that are like, .05 over. Have the block bored when it comes back to accept the pistons so that there isn't any fitment issues. Have the rotating assembly balanced (50 bucks) before it goes back in the block.

Then you can bring me the car and we can put it on the dyno and put a real tune on it. Then you can hammer hammer hammer.

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email Robert.... they were producing them
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I'm all over the golden eagle site looking for anything 2azfe. The only Toyota motor I've seen anything for is a 2zz and I've never heard of that. Do you guys have a link to the sleeves. I'll order them now and pick up the stock sized pistons on Wednesday. I'm assuming I order the sleeves then the machine shop bores the cylinders to the specified size then installs the sleeves there. Then the engine builder installs the pistons/crank etc? Let me know if this is not the process for sleeves. Then I can tackle the turbo/tuning issues.
You are going to need to send your block off to them and have it sleeved and then order some pistons that are like, .05 over. Have the block bored when it comes back to accept the pistons so that there isn't any fitment issues. Have the rotating assembly balanced (50 bucks) before it goes back in the block.

Then you can bring me the car and we can put it on the dyno and put a real tune on it. Then you can hammer hammer hammer.

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I'm confused a little I think... no wait, i'm sure i'm confused.

Currently, I have .002 (20 thousands of an inch oversized pistons on order (maybe)). You told me that was too big and that It would be too thin to accept any boost. So now I can sleeve the outer ring area to increase strenght but then you say to order .05 (5 hundreds of an inch to put in) but .05 is way larger than .002 therefore the cylinder is even thinner. Is the reason I can go larger is because of the sleeves? I can't go any less than the .002 over because of scratches on the cylinder walls from the pistons.

Also, why do they need to have the block to install the sleeves? Is this not something my machine shop or engine builder do with the proper parts?
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ALso, I will have the rotating assembly balanced before it's all done. I had the crank lightend and knife-edged as well.
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Maybe I missed something, if you are saying that you had the block machined .002 over then you are fine. If you had the block bored.020 over (20 over) then its junk.

With the sleeves you can bore them to whatever you like within tolerance, which is much, MUCH greater then that of the stock sleeves because the new sleeves are completely iron ductile.

The old sleeves will need to be machined out, and the new ones pressed in. You will have to send your block off because its not something that just anyone can do because each set of sleeves are made to fit your specific block.

If you were saying that your block is bored 2 thousanths over, then ignore everything I have said and you can use it. If it was bored 20 thousanths over, then you need to have it sleeved or replaced. I'd be sure which is the case because if there were scratches on the sleeves, I would imagine they were more then .002 deep.

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I'll need to check for the exact numbers, but I've always assumed that 20 thousands was .002 and not .020 as that would be 2 hundreds but I've been out of school for a very long time
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Originally Posted by Dyltone
I'll need to check for the exact numbers, but I've always assumed that 20 thousands was .002 and not .020 as that would be 2 hundreds but I've been out of school for a very long time

Two hundreths and twenty thousanths are the same thing.



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