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You can start with this link while I look for the other one. Unlike ZPI, I'm not responsible for majority of their word-of-mouth popularity. They achieved this without my help man. It's not the same. 72 votes to 22? Thanks for the compliment, but I'm not responsible for that.
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=170535
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Did I bash Dezods manifold? Did I bash Dezods fuel rail? Did I bash Dezods EMS?
Bro, you are living in the past. It's a new day. Go read the Dezod EMS thread. I was trying to learn about it, totally opposite of what you are stating.
I don't care about running 12s dude. I care about running low 1:00min marks at my back yard Road Course (Nashville Super Speedway). Going fast in a straight line can be done with a car setup for track. But a car setup for drag can't go fast around corners. Knowing that, I felt it was more challenging to go fast around a road course than it was to go in a straight line. You commented on the other guys thread saying he had a 12sec car with traction cause his trap was 107mph. Yet you harp on me for having no traction when I trapped 2 mph faster than that? If you are going to stick to a position, then stick to it. Rag on me, but give another guy a pass? Really...
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Here you go brett:
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/new...eply&p=3151413
We finally took our TA tC to the drag strip on Sunday for a test and tune session. Although we are not much into drag racing, we did learn a lot from our testing.
Other than a zero degree front camber setting and lower front tire pressures, the car was tested in actual Time Attack trim. That includes the 18 wheels, front splitter and new, much larger rear wing. We wanted to see what the car would do mainly in terms of trap speed. The car was set up at a slightly lower ~450WHP set-up for Sunday.
We obviously knew that our E.T. would only be ho-hum at best given the fact that a 30 series r-comp tire with a stiff sidewall designed for cornering is no where near as sticky as a drag radial, much less a drag slick.
Anyhow, all our runs were at 126+mph with our fastest run being a 12.77 at 128.55mph. This is essentially with granny launches, since the r-comps provided little to no traction for a proper drag launch. Could we have gone quicker and faster with drag slicks and without the front splitter and rear wing? Of course, but we wanted to test the car as-is minus the front camber setting. Mathematically, the car with drag slicks should be a mid to high 10 second car, but we will never know since we have no plans to take her down the strip on drag slicks.
What our testing tell us too is that with the right components, it is possible to build a pump gas/WMI tC that can trap at 120+mph all day long. Btw, our race car as it sits now is no super lightweight in case anyone was wondering, It is only about 250-300 lbs lighter than a bone-stock tC (roll cage adds most of the weight back). A full-weight stock tC with the same power plant should probably see about 123+mph.
Now for the bad news. We took out fourth gear AGAIN! This was only between the multiple dyno pulls and the 4-5 runs down the track. Fourth gear is pretty much the first gear that can sort of put the power to the ground and therefore sees the greatest loads. Our runs put us at about 7600+rpms in fourth.
So yeah, it looks like we'll need to look into transmission fortification sooner than we expected. Oh well, just part of racing and R&D.
- Toan
Other than a zero degree front camber setting and lower front tire pressures, the car was tested in actual Time Attack trim. That includes the 18 wheels, front splitter and new, much larger rear wing. We wanted to see what the car would do mainly in terms of trap speed. The car was set up at a slightly lower ~450WHP set-up for Sunday.
We obviously knew that our E.T. would only be ho-hum at best given the fact that a 30 series r-comp tire with a stiff sidewall designed for cornering is no where near as sticky as a drag radial, much less a drag slick.
Anyhow, all our runs were at 126+mph with our fastest run being a 12.77 at 128.55mph. This is essentially with granny launches, since the r-comps provided little to no traction for a proper drag launch. Could we have gone quicker and faster with drag slicks and without the front splitter and rear wing? Of course, but we wanted to test the car as-is minus the front camber setting. Mathematically, the car with drag slicks should be a mid to high 10 second car, but we will never know since we have no plans to take her down the strip on drag slicks.
What our testing tell us too is that with the right components, it is possible to build a pump gas/WMI tC that can trap at 120+mph all day long. Btw, our race car as it sits now is no super lightweight in case anyone was wondering, It is only about 250-300 lbs lighter than a bone-stock tC (roll cage adds most of the weight back). A full-weight stock tC with the same power plant should probably see about 123+mph.
Now for the bad news. We took out fourth gear AGAIN! This was only between the multiple dyno pulls and the 4-5 runs down the track. Fourth gear is pretty much the first gear that can sort of put the power to the ground and therefore sees the greatest loads. Our runs put us at about 7600+rpms in fourth.
So yeah, it looks like we'll need to look into transmission fortification sooner than we expected. Oh well, just part of racing and R&D.
- Toan
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Drag racing down the 1/4 mile for 12, 11, 10sec last for 12, 11, 10sec. Running around a Road Course while passing other cars is not the same feeling. I enjoy this feeling more. Riding in PTuning's TA tC when it was stock motor and hitting 140+ on the straight at my track and then coming into Turn 1 and Ross hitting the brakes on those massive StopTechs = SOLD on Time Attack. 140+ and then feeling like I slammed into a wall is about the only way to describe it really. 
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Brett, let me know if you need anymore links to catch you up to speed as to why PTuning is so popular here. It primarily has to do with the fact that they "RACE" prove their products and not just daily drive them. Their turbo setup is race proven for two seasons, back to back Time Attack Champions in Modified Class Redline Time Attack, with a car built off all the components they sell to the end user. THIS is why they are popular. I have no part in that sir. Everything they make is for the most part for "Racing" or "Race inspired" people. Stuff like:
-Working with ARP for extended stronger wheel studs
-Creating a Fuel Return setup w/swirl pot for race setups
-currently only kit offered in a blow-thru setup
-currently only kit with a designed and matched 3inch downpipe/exhaust setup
And the list continues. They make stuff for average Joes, but they provide a one stop shop for full race setups too. You been gone, so I figured I would catch you up a little bit. Everyone else already knows this stuff. Hence the reason why you see people traveling 10+hrs just to get tuned at PTuning (seemed like a pilgrimage to the Motherland...lol. Left and Right, people were making threads along the lines of "I'm on my Way to PTuning").
Simply put...PTuning FTW!
-Working with ARP for extended stronger wheel studs
-Creating a Fuel Return setup w/swirl pot for race setups
-currently only kit offered in a blow-thru setup
-currently only kit with a designed and matched 3inch downpipe/exhaust setup
And the list continues. They make stuff for average Joes, but they provide a one stop shop for full race setups too. You been gone, so I figured I would catch you up a little bit. Everyone else already knows this stuff. Hence the reason why you see people traveling 10+hrs just to get tuned at PTuning (seemed like a pilgrimage to the Motherland...lol. Left and Right, people were making threads along the lines of "I'm on my Way to PTuning").
Simply put...PTuning FTW!
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You and me Both! There are so many track days here its ridiculous. They don't have the same publicity as Redline Time Attack does, but I have more fun. The car turns on a dime as mentioned, and its a great feeling. We will have the most road raced tCs here in TN and all in one club I believe. Its going to be awesome tearing up the track. I will drag race it when I have time, just to see what she will do. Probably get some base runs in N/A as well.
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Did I bash Dezods manifold? Did I bash Dezods fuel rail? Did I bash Dezods EMS?
Bro, you are living in the past. It's a new day. Go read the Dezod EMS thread. I was trying to learn about it, totally opposite of what you are stating.
I don't care about running 12s dude. I care about running low 1:00min marks at my back yard Road Course (Nashville Super Speedway). Going fast in a straight line can be done with a car setup for track. But a car setup for drag can't go fast around corners. Knowing that, I felt it was more challenging to go fast around a road course than it was to go in a straight line. You commented on the other guys thread saying he had a 12sec car with traction cause his trap was 107mph. Yet you harp on me for having no traction when I trapped 2 mph faster than that? If you are going to stick to a position, then stick to it. Rag on me, but give another guy a pass? Really...
Bro, you are living in the past. It's a new day. Go read the Dezod EMS thread. I was trying to learn about it, totally opposite of what you are stating.
I don't care about running 12s dude. I care about running low 1:00min marks at my back yard Road Course (Nashville Super Speedway). Going fast in a straight line can be done with a car setup for track. But a car setup for drag can't go fast around corners. Knowing that, I felt it was more challenging to go fast around a road course than it was to go in a straight line. You commented on the other guys thread saying he had a 12sec car with traction cause his trap was 107mph. Yet you harp on me for having no traction when I trapped 2 mph faster than that? If you are going to stick to a position, then stick to it. Rag on me, but give another guy a pass? Really...
none of which you have made good on. you are so full of ____, that i can smell it from here. so go ahead and talk some more bull____, so i can keep calling you on it.
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oh really. thats why as soon as his ecu came out you were the first one asking any question you could to try and make it look bad. you havent changed at all. you just took kennys **** out of your mouth and replaced it with ptunings. and im not raging on your times, just pointing out all of your wild claims how you were gonna be first in the 12's, then 11's, then first stock motor in the 11's. none of which you have made good on. you are so full of ____, that i can smell it from here. so go ahead and talk some more bull____, so i can keep calling you on it.
none of which you have made good on. you are so full of ____, that i can smell it from here. so go ahead and talk some more bull____, so i can keep calling you on it.Asking questions to make it look bad? Dude put down the beer goggles. I don't think anyone thought I was asking questions to make it look bad. I was looking for clarification on what was said, cause I did not understand. Really, stfu. I didn't claim that I was going to be the first in the 12's, NOR did I claim I was going to be the first in the 11's. You are acting retarded yet again, and reading s___ that's not even written. If you want to make up your own truths that's fine, but just because you make it up, don't mean that its actually true.
Where the hell did you go all this time...hmm? You disappear and I stick around and let everyone know what I'm doing with my ride yet you are somehow better than me...GTFO. I'm not ashamed that I slowed down to have a f___ family dude. I have a wifey and two sons that I also have to take care of and make sure they have a roof over their heads and clothes on their backs. Yet I'm suppose to be a BS'er because I don't mod as fast as I use to....f___ off.
Just when I thought you had a life's lesson while you were gone and now returned with some maturity, I see its still the same moron that was here a while back. Go crawl back into the hole you came out of and take that one dimensional car with you a__hole.
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Children back to your corners.
Ptuning does things the way they want, We will do things the way we want.
End of story.
We had a turbo kit, they made their own, it made us push a little harder, over time they had problems with their manifold, so we decided to improve and make a better design, now they see this and are doing it as well. Same with the fuel system, they unveil a design. I see what I don't like and what can be improved and do it.
That's life, that's competition, that's innovation, that's survival.
Only the strong survive, and obviously we are all in a competition for your, the scionlifers dollars, that's business. We have people to feed and clothe too.
What else can you say.
May the strong survive, we have one hell of a LOW LOW LOW overhead.....economy is tough. We shall see. We were here 5 years ago and we will still be here in 5 years.
Ptuning does things the way they want, We will do things the way we want.
End of story.
We had a turbo kit, they made their own, it made us push a little harder, over time they had problems with their manifold, so we decided to improve and make a better design, now they see this and are doing it as well. Same with the fuel system, they unveil a design. I see what I don't like and what can be improved and do it.
That's life, that's competition, that's innovation, that's survival.
Only the strong survive, and obviously we are all in a competition for your, the scionlifers dollars, that's business. We have people to feed and clothe too.
What else can you say.
May the strong survive, we have one hell of a LOW LOW LOW overhead.....economy is tough. We shall see. We were here 5 years ago and we will still be here in 5 years.
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Rythm, Don, no explination needed, it will just drag things out further. To refresh everyone's memory, here's the original post.
So, you have three questions.
1) a FIC vs. Ultimate question
2) Will the Greddy kit support a 10 lb spring
3) Suggestions, experiences with meth injection
Disclaimer, I don't have a tC. My personal experience has been with a 1gen xB running at various times a Greddy supercharger or Greddy turbo on eManage blue and a Garrett / 365Motorwerks turbo on F/IC. Tuning was handled by PTuning, mainly because they were the closest shop that would touch blue.
I haven't seen any major issues with the Greddy tC turbo kit on other people's cars. My main issue with it is that for the listed price, there are better options available once you add in the cost of injectors, a harness, and engine management. Used kits and private party sales, provided nothing is missing and all are in good working order, should do the job. It is a lower HP kit, you won't be seeing 300+, but lower HP also means less engine and transmission stress.
As for management, the right question needs to be asked. What does the OP plan to use the car for? Street and D/D, track, drag, a combo of all three? My personal experience has been with eManage blue and F/IC, and of the two F/IC is hands down a better solution. I personally wouldn't spend the money on Ultimate unless the car is seeing track time. Above all, get what your tuner is comfortable working on. A good tune on F/IC is better than a bad tune on Ultimate, and Greddy's support tool software isn't exactly user friendly.
For question 2, I'm not even sure what springs would be available for the internal wastegate. I ended up going with a Turbo XS high performance manual boost controller, that should be all you need unless you need in-car adjustment vs. the under-hood it gives you.
Meth probably isn't necessary unless you're again going to the track or WOT a lot. It provides a nice mix of cooling the air charge and supressing detonation, but adds another consumable needed in the form of the injection fluid. If you're map is tuned to take advantage of meth and the tank runs dry, it could be an issue, though most systems allow for low fluid in-dash indication.
after looking into all the kits and finding out about forum priceing from dezod
im proly going to run their kit.....and have the waste gate spring change and run 10psi
now i just have to get a new clutch lol
im looking into turboin the dd ive look at the greddy kit as well as the
dezod kit what im wondering is if the e-manage ult. is worth it and weather i could just change the waste gate spring and run 10 psi on the greddy kit im also continplating meth. injection...
if any one has a kit for sale send pics to worrgp@juno.com
thanks
im proly going to run their kit.....and have the waste gate spring change and run 10psi
now i just have to get a new clutch lol
im looking into turboin the dd ive look at the greddy kit as well as the
dezod kit what im wondering is if the e-manage ult. is worth it and weather i could just change the waste gate spring and run 10 psi on the greddy kit im also continplating meth. injection...
if any one has a kit for sale send pics to worrgp@juno.com
thanks
1) a FIC vs. Ultimate question
2) Will the Greddy kit support a 10 lb spring
3) Suggestions, experiences with meth injection
Disclaimer, I don't have a tC. My personal experience has been with a 1gen xB running at various times a Greddy supercharger or Greddy turbo on eManage blue and a Garrett / 365Motorwerks turbo on F/IC. Tuning was handled by PTuning, mainly because they were the closest shop that would touch blue.
I haven't seen any major issues with the Greddy tC turbo kit on other people's cars. My main issue with it is that for the listed price, there are better options available once you add in the cost of injectors, a harness, and engine management. Used kits and private party sales, provided nothing is missing and all are in good working order, should do the job. It is a lower HP kit, you won't be seeing 300+, but lower HP also means less engine and transmission stress.
As for management, the right question needs to be asked. What does the OP plan to use the car for? Street and D/D, track, drag, a combo of all three? My personal experience has been with eManage blue and F/IC, and of the two F/IC is hands down a better solution. I personally wouldn't spend the money on Ultimate unless the car is seeing track time. Above all, get what your tuner is comfortable working on. A good tune on F/IC is better than a bad tune on Ultimate, and Greddy's support tool software isn't exactly user friendly.
For question 2, I'm not even sure what springs would be available for the internal wastegate. I ended up going with a Turbo XS high performance manual boost controller, that should be all you need unless you need in-car adjustment vs. the under-hood it gives you.
Meth probably isn't necessary unless you're again going to the track or WOT a lot. It provides a nice mix of cooling the air charge and supressing detonation, but adds another consumable needed in the form of the injection fluid. If you're map is tuned to take advantage of meth and the tank runs dry, it could be an issue, though most systems allow for low fluid in-dash indication.
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Brett's Congrats you can beat me 1 out of three type of racing events (drag), the other two being Road Course and AutoX. But if I disappeared from the forums for a substantial period of time, when I returned my car would not be the same either. For whatever personal reason you went silent for I don't know, that's your personal life. I'm still here though, and I have did a complete 180 with my car to go a completely different direction. Your little "oh you don't have boost right now" remarks mean nothing to me. I have scrapped my direction and started from scratch basically. That's nothing to be ashamed of. So enough seriously. You have a built short block from ZPI, and a turbo kit from Turbo Toyota's, yet I'm the one who gets the 3yr old card played....by 3min3..
Brett's Congrats you can beat me 1 out of three type of racing events (drag), the other two being Road Course and AutoX. But if I disappeared from the forums for a substantial period of time, when I returned my car would not be the same either. For whatever personal reason you went silent for I don't know, that's your personal life. I'm still here though, and I have did a complete 180 with my car to go a completely different direction. Your little "oh you don't have boost right now" remarks mean nothing to me. I have scrapped my direction and started from scratch basically. That's nothing to be ashamed of. So enough seriously. You have a built short block from ZPI, and a turbo kit from Turbo Toyota's, yet I'm the one who gets the 3yr old card played....by 3min3..
And yes the TT fan boys had it coming as well.
I was just pointing that i personally take your advice with a grain of salt. Not a personal attack, just a "scientific observation"
Side Note-The greddy is best to have a Boost Controller to raise boost. Not really sure how to mess with an internal, and I haven't met anyone on the forum who does.
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Oh I just pulled the card from the COUNTLESS forums I have read with you defending ZPI. more like 2 yrs, not 3.
And yes the TT fan boys had it coming as well.
I was just pointing that i personally take your advice with a grain of salt. Not a personal attack, just a "scientific observation"
Side Note-The greddy is best to have a Boost Controller to raise boost. Not really sure how to mess with an internal, and I haven't met anyone on the forum who does.
And yes the TT fan boys had it coming as well.
I was just pointing that i personally take your advice with a grain of salt. Not a personal attack, just a "scientific observation"
Side Note-The greddy is best to have a Boost Controller to raise boost. Not really sure how to mess with an internal, and I haven't met anyone on the forum who does.
I'm perfectly alright with that, as that's One out of Many who do take my advice and have been successful with it. I can live with that, cause you can't make people happy all the time and some will hold onto past (in this case 2 yrs ago) situations. But listen man, you don't have to actually take my word for anything in regards to PTuning. They speak Volumes all by themselves. Just do your research on what they were able to bring to our community and still do.
Side note example....PTuning ran the EMU on their Race car, and included the EMU as a default management for their RS kit version (which is the Race verison). For the street version, they included the F/IC. There is reasons for that.
PS...just keep in mind, I'm not a cold-hearted, no conscious bast__d. I was ticked off just as much as everyone else when it all came crashing down. I was let down by people whom I thought had my back.
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wow i stayed outta this thread because it was labled greddy turbo kit....man i missed alot...don please dont insult us with " children back to your corners" if anyone is the child its u by tryna use "smoke n mirrors"(quoted from a good friend) to sell products