I'm gonna order the carbon fiber engine cover and I was wondering if the Ingalls ETD will get in the way of it? I thought it would be appropriate to post in the F/I forum since ETD is really common with turbocharged tCs. So, what you think?

 

Took this info form here:
http://www.racingsolution.com/showpa...on=DisplayPart


*Customers are reported that the Engalls Engine Damper may rub up against the engine cover or it may get in the way of the engine cover all together *

 

That`s EXACTLY why I asked. So, does anyone have any experience with these two parts together?

 

exactly

 

Yes My brothers tC has a c/f engine cover and the ETD and NO rubbing at all.

 

Do you have a pic of it with the ETD and C/F engine cover?

 

my ETD rubs alittle, and i mean verry little with my stock engine cover. just alittle scratch on the side.

 

That sucks! I don`t want any scratches on my carbon fiber engine cover at all. Maybe I could put the ETD on with the stock one first and see how it does, if it touches it, maybe I could put some sort of thick clear tape on the area. What you guys think?

 

Sorry no pic at the moment.

 

If your planning on 300+ HP, you should just pass up the Ingalls and get the speed source motor mounts. I'ave heard of the torque dampner snapping with to much torque.

 

I don`t know anything about the motor mounts and I already have the ETD, it`s not installed tho.

 

Hi guys - I'm the engineer at Ingalls that designed the ETD kit.

I hope this info helps out:

1. On all of the installs that we've done, there is at least 1/2 inch between the ETD and engine cover. If it touches, it might not be installed correctly. The carbon cover might be a little bit bigger - so it might rub, but I have not confirmed this.

2. We have sold thousands of these for many cars - we have never had any ETD's "snap". The only TC failure that I'm aware of was a bent bracket from a bad install (ETD was on the wrong side of the bracket, putting a huge bending load on the bracket.)

3. With all performance mods, there are trade offs, but the ETD works better than stiffer motor mounts for most guys ... because of a higher leverage point - it can decrease motor movement without much increase in transmitted vibration.

4. fyi- Ingalls also has a rear trunk brace for the TC that works great.

5. If we can verify any issues with any of our products, we will change them immediately - please submit pictures and emails of problems to: steve@ingallseng.com

Thanks.

 

Damn, I swear I've read that exact same post somewhere before?
In any event, my bad. I may be getting the Ingalls and MMW stiffy mixed up.
I can't even put the valve cover back on cause my header is WAY to hot, so consider yourself lucky!

 

no worries - Dan might have posted something before, but I just wrote my comments above yesterday.

btw - I know all the ETD's look pretty much the same on the outside, but to my knowledge - the Ingalls ETD is the only one with a one piece internal shaft. It has a minimum diameter of 11.8mm vs. the competitors' 3 piece design with a M6 bolt (4.9mm minor diameter) holding everything together.

So, in terms of pulling apart - the Ingalls ETD is over 5 times stronger then the other designs we've tested on the market.

I know there was another design on the market that was coming apart - the manufacturer was not loctiting the end cap, so the whole unit was coming apart.

For most of the early jdm etd guys, the only long term wear item was the internal rubber pieces. We've used a special formulation for our elastomers and increased the contact surface area (20mm vs. 17.8mm) to eliminate that issue.

Thanks for your questions and comments - they help us make better products.

There are some more goodies on the way!!

 

Well, since your here, I have a question for you:
You obviously tested this on a stock tC. I was wondering if you had also tested this on a tC putting down more then stock power? Say, a turbocharged tC putting down 300hp?

Oh, and 20tc: did you already get the CF valve cover?

 

No, not yet. I will see what the stock one does with the ETD

 

We tested a stock TC and one with a turbo ... but we are a mile high in Colorado ... so it is admittedly not the "worse case" test. We usually test a couple cars in Colorado and then send out pre-production kits to a few heavily modified guys in Cali.

But ... pure power doesn't always indicate when these fail, it is a combination of motor mounts, suspension/driveline/tire stiffness, ETD settings and other things. If you have worn motor mounts or suspension bushings, a violent wheel hop shake can develop that is beyond the design scope of the ETD to control and the resulting loads can bend the brackets. We haven't had one of these reported on a TC, but we had a couple with the Cobalts (ultra soft OEM mount). We try to design all kits so the internal elastomer fails first (it is easy to replace) ... after that, the brackets bend. That way, we minimize damage - if something bad happens.

I'm talking with a few guys that have been able to wear the internal elastomers on the standard ETD (out of thousands) ... we are using them to Beta test our "heavy duty kit"... Right now, our sales team doesn't see a need to release it - because there just hasn't been enough demand. When the time comes, it will be ready to go.

To be honest, the biggest head scratcher on the TC is that some of them have much more transmitted vibration then others - for the same exact ETD set up. Some guys notice a "glove box sound" ... the best way to solve the problem is using dynamat under the chassis bracket.

I'm always searching for the 1% guys out there that thrash parts harder then most ... if you can break it or make it fail sooner, we want to talk with you.

Thanks. steve@ingallseng.com