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[quote="blown_xa"][quote="brett561tc"][quote="olaHalo"][quote="rhythmnsmoke"][quote="brett561tc"]
Drifting is Definitely an expensive freakin sport....Sponsors FTW! Needs some...
On Rado blowing up. Supposedly it's in the ball park of 600hp. Uber Crazyness..
Drifting? This was time attack road racing.\6400rpm redline, and will make even more once i raise the revlimter. the zpi kit stoped making power at around 5700rpms. quality wise the differance is also night and day. peakboost uses t-bolt clamps. zpi does not. all the ic piping is bead rolled. zpi's is not. peakboost uses a steel braided line for the oil return. zpi used a leak prone rubber one. peakboost uses brand new garrett turbos, zpi used chineese made or re-maufactured 16g's. the hpc coating that i got with the peakboost kit looks as good as the day i got it. the coating on the zpi kit started flaking off after a month. my peakboost kit came with an authentic tial wastegate. the zpi kit came with some brand-x called turbo concepts or something. peakboost came with a k&n air filter. zpi used some other cheap off brand. finaly i'll end with price. my peakboost kit ran me about $600-$800 less than the zpi kit. it also shipped in 7weeks, compared to the 6 months it took for my zpi kit. basicly the peakboost kit was designed for performence. where as the zpi stage 1 was designed to give kenny the highest turnaround possible.
p.s. the peakboost kit looks about 1,000 times better.
uh, yea. Doesnt matter wat u say though, ZPI is the best. to him.
olaHalo didn't say ZPI was the best to him. He was answering olaHalo.
Try to make sure you have the right person when you direct your comments.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Drifting is Definitely an expensive freakin sport....Sponsors FTW! Needs some...
On Rado blowing up. Supposedly it's in the ball park of 600hp. Uber Crazyness..
Drifting? This was time attack road racing.\6400rpm redline, and will make even more once i raise the revlimter. the zpi kit stoped making power at around 5700rpms. quality wise the differance is also night and day. peakboost uses t-bolt clamps. zpi does not. all the ic piping is bead rolled. zpi's is not. peakboost uses a steel braided line for the oil return. zpi used a leak prone rubber one. peakboost uses brand new garrett turbos, zpi used chineese made or re-maufactured 16g's. the hpc coating that i got with the peakboost kit looks as good as the day i got it. the coating on the zpi kit started flaking off after a month. my peakboost kit came with an authentic tial wastegate. the zpi kit came with some brand-x called turbo concepts or something. peakboost came with a k&n air filter. zpi used some other cheap off brand. finaly i'll end with price. my peakboost kit ran me about $600-$800 less than the zpi kit. it also shipped in 7weeks, compared to the 6 months it took for my zpi kit. basicly the peakboost kit was designed for performence. where as the zpi stage 1 was designed to give kenny the highest turnaround possible.
p.s. the peakboost kit looks about 1,000 times better.
olaHalo didn't say ZPI was the best to him. He was answering olaHalo.
Try to make sure you have the right person when you direct your comments.
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Originally Posted by blown_xa
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by blown_xa
Im Brandon on the list above BTW 
. SPECS: Dezod turbo kit. 248hp. 13.52@105mph. any other questions dont hesitate to ask .
. SPECS: Dezod turbo kit. 248hp. 13.52@105mph. any other questions dont hesitate to ask .Awe I see, and here in lies our difference. He traps 105mph. I trap 109mph. ET's can be greatly effected by your traction or "lack thereof". Trap speeds on the other hand are pretty good at giving a picture at how fast a car really is.
I.E...Chris Rado during a shootout ran 12.0 1/4mile in their time attack tC. However, his trap speed was freakin 120mph!!!
Most mid 13sec runs I have seen from cars, I look at their trap speeds and they are running 101-105mph. I ran next to a truck with big **** slicks on it RWD obviously, and some American muscle under the hood. He was a full sec faster than me, yet click the same trap speed and at times slower than me. I won't go back until I have a set of slicks to work with, or actual brand New drag radials to use.
No, correction, I have to work on buying new tires lol. You are coming in WAY late to the game on this. It was so long ago, so no worries, I will catch you up on the conditions I was racing under. No matter how good driving I could have done, there is no substitution for poor traction besides getting a good set of tires.
10.0 A/F ratio at WOT is what the car was running that night. I had not gotten it tuned yet at the time.
And these are what the tires looked like Before I took them to the track to make those passes...
Like I said earlier though, I won't go back until the conditions are favorable. I just ran what I had available at the time. If you remember the shootout......These are the same set of tires I was using during that time. The shootout was like 2years ago right? I can't remember when that was, but these are the same set I had used on that day, and I had used a couple of times after that at some 1/8th mile tracks. Then I sat them in the shed and left them there, until the day I decided to go back to Beech Bend and do a few passes. I hot lapped the car like 15 times that night, and heat soaked the clutch. With a heat soaked clutch, slippage started to set in. A couple of passes still netted me 108+mph trap speeds however. I'm back to working on the tC now, so we will see with an actually working set of DR's what she will do.
you had a 2.0 60' time. mike scion had a 1.9 60' and a lower trap speed and still ran a 12.7 with the same tires. even if you had a 1.9 like him, you only would have run a 13.3.
in theory since you had a faster trap speed, you should have been making more power than him. so even with a 2.0 60' time that means you should have run a 12.9 or faster. 
sounds to me like you just dont know how to drive.
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Originally Posted by blown_xa
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Your comment sounded like it was directed at me. I wasn't the one that asked the question.
On a side note: People have differences of opinion all the time. I don't have a problem or care whether you think one kit is better than the other. And neither should you about what kits I like and don't like. I don't recall bad mouthing any kit, short of just pointing out problems people might have had with a particular kit, and just helping them trying to solve their problems.
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you had a 2.0 60' time. mike scion had a 1.9 60' and a lower trap speed and still ran a 12.7 with the same tires. even if you had a 1.9 like him, you only would have run a 13.3. in theory since you had a faster trap speed, you should have been making more power than him. so even with a 2.0 60' time that means you should have run a 12.9 or faster. sounds to me like you just dont know how to drive.
in theory since you had a faster trap speed, you should have been making more power than him. so even with a 2.0 60' time that means you should have run a 12.9 or faster. sounds to me like you just dont know how to drive. No it doesn't. You don't know squat about racing dude. How the hell could I have had more power with a 10.0 A/F ratio at 10 PSI of boost. Mike from my understanding was running dang near 14lbs (correct me if I'm wrong mike). But I do recall him running more boost than me. Same tires does not equate to SAME Condition the tires are in....
Trap speed decreases when you have more traction....
ET lowers, but also decreases your mph...Do I need to keep schooling you?
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by brett561tc
you had a 2.0 60' time. mike scion had a 1.9 60' and a lower trap speed and still ran a 12.7 with the same tires. even if you had a 1.9 like him, you only would have run a 13.3. in theory since you had a faster trap speed, you should have been making more power than him. so even with a 2.0 60' time that means you should have run a 12.9 or faster. sounds to me like you just dont know how to drive.
in theory since you had a faster trap speed, you should have been making more power than him. so even with a 2.0 60' time that means you should have run a 12.9 or faster. sounds to me like you just dont know how to drive. No it doesn't. You don't know squat about racing dude. How the hell could I have had more power with a 10.0 A/F ratio at 10 PSI of boost. Mike from my understanding was running dang near 14lbs (correct me if I'm wrong mike). But I do recall him running more boost than me. Same tires does not equate to SAME Condition the tires are in....
Trap speed decreases when you have more traction....
ET lowers, but also decreases your mph...Do I need to keep schooling you?
you're just making more lame excuses
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Trap speeds on the other hand are pretty good at giving a picture at how fast a car really is.
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I love how you try to flip the script and change the focus from "Your Old setup vs Your New setup" to "You vs Me".
AGAIN, if I must repeat myself.....THE ORIGINAL **** talking came by way of you running your times......talk **** about your old setup because you were buying a new one.....and then running a slower time in your new kit.
Now you want to try and talk and compare me to Mike....
This is not about You vs Me vs Mike vs Whoever else that decided to jump in on it...
It was about YOU vs YOURSELF. To which you came off sounding like an **** for all that stuff you were spilling out of your keyboard.
Shall we now start this ALL back up AGAIN!
AGAIN, if I must repeat myself.....THE ORIGINAL **** talking came by way of you running your times......talk **** about your old setup because you were buying a new one.....and then running a slower time in your new kit.
Now you want to try and talk and compare me to Mike....
This is not about You vs Me vs Mike vs Whoever else that decided to jump in on it...
It was about YOU vs YOURSELF. To which you came off sounding like an **** for all that stuff you were spilling out of your keyboard.
Shall we now start this ALL back up AGAIN!
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Hmm, seems like you are making excuses about your times rhtym. bad tires, bad this bad that. But when the OP made excuses about why his didnt run like he thought it would, you rideculed him for it.
You are so quick to say thats what i ran and I ran it. But later on you have to defend yourself. Just like everyone else does.
And then you made a comment about what really matters is the trap speed. it shows who truly has a fast car. (something to that affect)
But your trap speed is less than 2 mph off of that of the OP, and he ran nearly a full second faster than you. trap speed means pretty much nothing.
I was at the track last weekend and paying attention to times compared to trap speeds, and there is ZERO comparison. You can run 400 MPH and still run a 12 second 1/4.
You can run 80 MPH and still run the quarter. Its all about how you have the power and where you put it at.
Granted on a same model car, it should be close, but obviously it isnt comapring your times to the OPs times.
To sum it up:
I ran 14.7at 95
You ran 13.5 at 108.12
He ran 12.6 at 110
There is no corralation from trap speed to 1/4MPH time
You are so quick to say thats what i ran and I ran it. But later on you have to defend yourself. Just like everyone else does.
And then you made a comment about what really matters is the trap speed. it shows who truly has a fast car. (something to that affect)
But your trap speed is less than 2 mph off of that of the OP, and he ran nearly a full second faster than you. trap speed means pretty much nothing.
I was at the track last weekend and paying attention to times compared to trap speeds, and there is ZERO comparison. You can run 400 MPH and still run a 12 second 1/4.
You can run 80 MPH and still run the quarter. Its all about how you have the power and where you put it at.
Granted on a same model car, it should be close, but obviously it isnt comapring your times to the OPs times.
To sum it up:
I ran 14.7at 95
You ran 13.5 at 108.12
He ran 12.6 at 110
There is no corralation from trap speed to 1/4MPH time
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^^just pointing out the fact that you are full of crap. you were trying to call me out saying that i dont know what im talking about, and trying to make yourself seem like john force or something.
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Originally Posted by Nick06tC
Hmm, seems like you are making excuses about your times rhtym. bad tires, bad this bad that. But when the OP made excuses about why his didnt run like he thought it would, you rideculed him for it.
You are so quick to say thats what i ran and I ran it. But later on you have to defend yourself. Just like everyone else does.
And then you made a comment about what really matters is the trap speed. it shows who truly has a fast car. (something to that affect)
But your trap speed is less than 2 mph off of that of the OP, and he ran nearly a full second faster than you. trap speed means pretty much nothing.
I was at the track last weekend and paying attention to times compared to trap speeds, and there is ZERO comparison. You can run 400 MPH and still run a 12 second 1/4.
You can run 80 MPH and still run the quarter. Its all about how you have the power and where you put it at.
Granted on a same model car, it should be close, but obviously it isnt comapring your times to the OPs times.
To sum it up:
I ran 14.7at 95
You ran 13.5 at 108.12
He ran 12.6 at 110
There is no corralation from trap speed to 1/4MPH time
You are so quick to say thats what i ran and I ran it. But later on you have to defend yourself. Just like everyone else does.
And then you made a comment about what really matters is the trap speed. it shows who truly has a fast car. (something to that affect)
But your trap speed is less than 2 mph off of that of the OP, and he ran nearly a full second faster than you. trap speed means pretty much nothing.
I was at the track last weekend and paying attention to times compared to trap speeds, and there is ZERO comparison. You can run 400 MPH and still run a 12 second 1/4.
You can run 80 MPH and still run the quarter. Its all about how you have the power and where you put it at.
Granted on a same model car, it should be close, but obviously it isnt comapring your times to the OPs times.
To sum it up:
I ran 14.7at 95
You ran 13.5 at 108.12
He ran 12.6 at 110
There is no corralation from trap speed to 1/4MPH time
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Originally Posted by brett561tc
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by brett561tc
you had a 2.0 60' time. mike scion had a 1.9 60' and a lower trap speed and still ran a 12.7 with the same tires. even if you had a 1.9 like him, you only would have run a 13.3. in theory since you had a faster trap speed, you should have been making more power than him. so even with a 2.0 60' time that means you should have run a 12.9 or faster. sounds to me like you just dont know how to drive.
in theory since you had a faster trap speed, you should have been making more power than him. so even with a 2.0 60' time that means you should have run a 12.9 or faster. sounds to me like you just dont know how to drive. No it doesn't. You don't know squat about racing dude. How the hell could I have had more power with a 10.0 A/F ratio at 10 PSI of boost. Mike from my understanding was running dang near 14lbs (correct me if I'm wrong mike). But I do recall him running more boost than me. Same tires does not equate to SAME Condition the tires are in....
Trap speed decreases when you have more traction....
ET lowers, but also decreases your mph...Do I need to keep schooling you?
you're just making more lame excuses
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Trap speeds on the other hand are pretty good at giving a picture at how fast a car really is.
Excuses....Are you freakin Serious? I just said that I run what I brung, and only explained the conditions I was racing under. That's what I had available to me at the time.
Difference between you and me, and what YOU made up as an excuse is my conditions were already in place BEFORE the race. They did not develop AFTER the race to explain WHY I didn't run ideal times.
You didn't run your ideal times so, you made excuses afterwards. I didn't know what I was going to run especially with the car un-tuned and some tires that I didn't find worthy. Factory Scion tires would have been my other option, but I went with the used tires instead.
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Originally Posted by Nick06tC
Hmm, seems like you are making excuses about your times rhtym. bad tires, bad this bad that. But when the OP made excuses about why his didnt run like he thought it would, you rideculed him for it.
You are so quick to say thats what i ran and I ran it. But later on you have to defend yourself. Just like everyone else does.
And then you made a comment about what really matters is the trap speed. it shows who truly has a fast car. (something to that affect)
But your trap speed is less than 2 mph off of that of the OP, and he ran nearly a full second faster than you. trap speed means pretty much nothing.
I was at the track last weekend and paying attention to times compared to trap speeds, and there is ZERO comparison. You can run 400 MPH and still run a 12 second 1/4.
You can run 80 MPH and still run the quarter. Its all about how you have the power and where you put it at.
Granted on a same model car, it should be close, but obviously it isnt comapring your times to the OPs times.
To sum it up:
I ran 14.7at 95
You ran 13.5 at 108.12
He ran 12.6 at 110
There is no corralation from trap speed to 1/4MPH time
You are so quick to say thats what i ran and I ran it. But later on you have to defend yourself. Just like everyone else does.
And then you made a comment about what really matters is the trap speed. it shows who truly has a fast car. (something to that affect)
But your trap speed is less than 2 mph off of that of the OP, and he ran nearly a full second faster than you. trap speed means pretty much nothing.
I was at the track last weekend and paying attention to times compared to trap speeds, and there is ZERO comparison. You can run 400 MPH and still run a 12 second 1/4.
You can run 80 MPH and still run the quarter. Its all about how you have the power and where you put it at.
Granted on a same model car, it should be close, but obviously it isnt comapring your times to the OPs times.
To sum it up:
I ran 14.7at 95
You ran 13.5 at 108.12
He ran 12.6 at 110
There is no corralation from trap speed to 1/4MPH time
Only explained that these are what the tires looked like before racing. Take it for what you want. And sorry, there is correlation from trap speed to 1/4 mile time. The more traction you have, the lower your ET, but the slower your trap speed is. Go do the research dude instead of making a blind comment.
Don't misquote my words. I said a trap speed indicates how fast a car really is. AGAIN, re-read what I wrote about the original **** talking. Has nothing to do with what I run vs what he runs. I would only hope his car is faster than mine being I was running 10 PSI vs his what 16-18PSI...
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Blind comment, did you not see what I posted? I posted up 3 times. SAME MAKE OF CAR, Different setups and wheel HPS.
You said:
rhythmnsmoke wrote:
Trap speeds on the other hand are pretty good at giving a picture at how fast a car really is.
You said:
rhythmnsmoke wrote:
Trap speeds on the other hand are pretty good at giving a picture at how fast a car really is.
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Originally Posted by Nick06tC
Blind comment, did you not see what I posted? I posted up 3 times. SAME MAKE OF CAR, Different setups and wheel HPS.
You said:
rhythmnsmoke wrote:
Trap speeds on the other hand are pretty good at giving a picture at how fast a car really is.
You said:
rhythmnsmoke wrote:
Trap speeds on the other hand are pretty good at giving a picture at how fast a car really is.
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Here is some research for ya. ALL scion tCs.
All different times. All different MPHS.
Yet some of the slower trap speeds have faster MPH. Your ORIGINAL COMMENT WAS. That a faster trap speed shows how faster a car is.
yes you came back and tried to change it like you always do.
I will do more research for you tho.
1) 12.592* 111.120 8.147 87.460 1.949 Scion tC 2 Door Coupe 2005 JAYSON
2) 12.795* 106.590 8.262 85.940 1.971 Scion tC 2 door coupe 2005 Mike Clement
3) 13.415* 108.710 8.841 84.750 2.230 Scion tC Turbo 2005 Joe Currao
4) 13.662* 102.580 8.871 80.880 2.168 Scion tC Turbo 2006 Joe Verge
5) 13.663* 104.630 8.903 81.960 2.188 Scion tC Turbo 2005 Matt Paxson
6) 13.835* 104.151 9.081 80.602 2.254 Scion tC Turbo 2006 Doug Gregory
7) 13.873 104.450 9.109 81.130 2.191 Scion tC 2005 Ryhian
13.946*^ 105.930 9.165 80.370 2.293 Scion tC TRD Supercharger & Nitrous 2005 Jose
9) 14.315*^ 96.530 9.200 75.890 2.196 Scion tC Greddy Turbo 2006 Nicholas Wong
10) 14.336*^ 96.200 9.222 79.450 2.166 Scion tC TRD supercharged
All different times. All different MPHS.
Yet some of the slower trap speeds have faster MPH. Your ORIGINAL COMMENT WAS. That a faster trap speed shows how faster a car is.
yes you came back and tried to change it like you always do.
I will do more research for you tho.
1) 12.592* 111.120 8.147 87.460 1.949 Scion tC 2 Door Coupe 2005 JAYSON
2) 12.795* 106.590 8.262 85.940 1.971 Scion tC 2 door coupe 2005 Mike Clement
3) 13.415* 108.710 8.841 84.750 2.230 Scion tC Turbo 2005 Joe Currao
4) 13.662* 102.580 8.871 80.880 2.168 Scion tC Turbo 2006 Joe Verge
5) 13.663* 104.630 8.903 81.960 2.188 Scion tC Turbo 2005 Matt Paxson
6) 13.835* 104.151 9.081 80.602 2.254 Scion tC Turbo 2006 Doug Gregory
7) 13.873 104.450 9.109 81.130 2.191 Scion tC 2005 Ryhian
13.946*^ 105.930 9.165 80.370 2.293 Scion tC TRD Supercharger & Nitrous 2005 Jose 9) 14.315*^ 96.530 9.200 75.890 2.196 Scion tC Greddy Turbo 2006 Nicholas Wong
10) 14.336*^ 96.200 9.222 79.450 2.166 Scion tC TRD supercharged
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you have faster trap speeds than mikescion and 1/10th slower 60'. yet he runs 12.7 and you run 13.5. you cant drive. its that simple. you dont know as much as you think you do about racing. you have no room to try and talk about my times. thats all i was trying to get at.
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Originally Posted by brett561tc
^^just pointing out the fact that you are full of crap. you were trying to call me out saying that i dont know what im talking about, and trying to make yourself seem like john force or something.
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Funyn how you edited your post.
i was only comparing our times to show your comment is false. A high trap speed does not show a faster car in the circumstances we are talking about. THE 1/4 MILE!!!!!!!
A higher trap speed in the quarter mile does not mean the car is faster than a car with a lower trap speed.
i was only comparing our times to show your comment is false. A high trap speed does not show a faster car in the circumstances we are talking about. THE 1/4 MILE!!!!!!!
A higher trap speed in the quarter mile does not mean the car is faster than a car with a lower trap speed.
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Originally Posted by Nick06tC
Here is some research for ya. ALL scion tCs.
All different times. All different MPHS.
Yet some of the slower trap speeds have faster MPH. Your ORIGINAL COMMENT WAS. That a faster trap speed shows how faster a car is.
yes you came back and tried to change it like you always do.
I will do more research for you tho.
1) 12.592* 111.120 8.147 87.460 1.949 Scion tC 2 Door Coupe 2005 JAYSON
2) 12.795* 106.590 8.262 85.940 1.971 Scion tC 2 door coupe 2005 Mike Clement
3) 13.415* 108.710 8.841 84.750 2.230 Scion tC Turbo 2005 Joe Currao
4) 13.662* 102.580 8.871 80.880 2.168 Scion tC Turbo 2006 Joe Verge
5) 13.663* 104.630 8.903 81.960 2.188 Scion tC Turbo 2005 Matt Paxson
6) 13.835* 104.151 9.081 80.602 2.254 Scion tC Turbo 2006 Doug Gregory
7) 13.873 104.450 9.109 81.130 2.191 Scion tC 2005 Ryhian
13.946*^ 105.930 9.165 80.370 2.293 Scion tC TRD Supercharger & Nitrous 2005 Jose
9) 14.315*^ 96.530 9.200 75.890 2.196 Scion tC Greddy Turbo 2006 Nicholas Wong
10) 14.336*^ 96.200 9.222 79.450 2.166 Scion tC TRD supercharged
All different times. All different MPHS.
Yet some of the slower trap speeds have faster MPH. Your ORIGINAL COMMENT WAS. That a faster trap speed shows how faster a car is.
yes you came back and tried to change it like you always do.
I will do more research for you tho.
1) 12.592* 111.120 8.147 87.460 1.949 Scion tC 2 Door Coupe 2005 JAYSON
2) 12.795* 106.590 8.262 85.940 1.971 Scion tC 2 door coupe 2005 Mike Clement
3) 13.415* 108.710 8.841 84.750 2.230 Scion tC Turbo 2005 Joe Currao
4) 13.662* 102.580 8.871 80.880 2.168 Scion tC Turbo 2006 Joe Verge
5) 13.663* 104.630 8.903 81.960 2.188 Scion tC Turbo 2005 Matt Paxson
6) 13.835* 104.151 9.081 80.602 2.254 Scion tC Turbo 2006 Doug Gregory
7) 13.873 104.450 9.109 81.130 2.191 Scion tC 2005 Ryhian
13.946*^ 105.930 9.165 80.370 2.293 Scion tC TRD Supercharger & Nitrous 2005 Jose 9) 14.315*^ 96.530 9.200 75.890 2.196 Scion tC Greddy Turbo 2006 Nicholas Wong
10) 14.336*^ 96.200 9.222 79.450 2.166 Scion tC TRD supercharged
Change what? I didn't come back and say anything different.
What are the tire differences between the cars.
IE.....I can run slower ET on DR's but have the same Trap as a Car on Slicks but with a faster ET.
TRACTION again, plays a part into your ET and Trap speeds. I don't know how many ways I have to say it.
It can even differ if you have a RWD vs a FWD. RWD car can have the same trap speed as the FWD, however the ET can be better in the RWD car due to having greater traction due to being RWD.
Post the link to that.