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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mikescion
i say this because your MPH b4 was 112 i don't remember your 60ft but your mph now is 110 on a bigger turbo that why i asked if its laggy. Plus your going to have to bring that mph up to go 11's because even if you do a 1.9 60ft your best at that mph should only be 12.1 or 12.3 not sure. I think Kennys scion went 12.1 @ 114 and chris rado's scion went 12.01 i think at 120 thats with a 2.1 60ft also i think
i hit 112 with this kit as well. with the zpi kit i hit the revlimiter wich is 112 just before the traps. with the peakboost kit im hitting the revlimiter at 1000'. i didnt want to stand on it that long so i let off. also with the zpi kit i wasnt overloading any drivetrain parts, and was able to get a 1.89 60'. my slick should be able to get me a 1.6 60'. the fact that i had a much worse 60' with the peakboost kit, let off before the trap, and still ran the same time as the zpi kit was pretty amazing to me. i think this friday im gonna run about 14psi in the slicks insted of 9psi and see if that helps. the thing that ____es me off the most is the revlimiter. if i could just raise it to about 7k, then i could trap 120 all day.
Old Sep 13, 2007 | 06:07 PM
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don't be scared shift to fifth
Old Sep 13, 2007 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mikescion
don't be scared shift to fifth
when i do i get a 110 trap. the speed lost while shifting + the fact that 5th is just an od gear and doesent pull like 4th makes for a slower trap. also if you look at my dyno you will see that the higher my rpms go, the harder the car pulls. plain and simple, i need to raise the rev limiter.
Old Sep 13, 2007 | 07:22 PM
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LOL ok dude calm down good job with numbers i guess i really don't think you need to raise the rev yet but ok....
Old Sep 13, 2007 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by brett561tc
Originally Posted by mikescion
don't be scared shift to fifth
when i do i get a 110 trap. the speed lost while shifting + the fact that 5th is just an od gear and doesent pull like 4th makes for a slower trap. also if you look at my dyno you will see that the higher my rpms go, the harder the car pulls. plain and simple, i need to raise the rev limiter.
Or maybe you need an EMS that can tune VVT-i, so you can build boost on top of boost...
Old Sep 13, 2007 | 07:24 PM
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so you can get to 5th gear quicker.
Old Sep 13, 2007 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mikescion
LOL ok dude calm down good job with numbers i guess i really don't think you need to raise the rev yet but ok....
calm down?? i didnt know i was getting upset. anyways, i dont see how i wouldnt need to raise the revlimiter? having a larger turbo means that its going to make more power up top.
Old Sep 13, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GTRasta
Originally Posted by brett561tc
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don't be scared shift to fifth
when i do i get a 110 trap. the speed lost while shifting + the fact that 5th is just an od gear and doesent pull like 4th makes for a slower trap. also if you look at my dyno you will see that the higher my rpms go, the harder the car pulls. plain and simple, i need to raise the rev limiter.
Or maybe you need an EMS that can tune VVT-i, so you can build boost on top of boost...
i can allready control timing. i have 6 degrees pulled.
Old Sep 13, 2007 | 09:21 PM
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Give me a call if you're going tomorrow and I'll see if I can get down there (with the cam).
Old Sep 13, 2007 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GTRasta
so you can get to 5th gear quicker.
please stop posting
Old Sep 13, 2007 | 11:41 PM
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Errr...no.

Shifting to 5th gear is as easy for me from 2nd to 3rd. Is it in la-la land for you guys? I don't know your gear ratios, but unless you're shifting into 5th right before the end of the drag strip, I can only assume from what you typed that you eventually need to go to 5th gear before the end of the track.

And what do you use to tune VVT-i?
Old Sep 14, 2007 | 12:00 AM
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Um...we have 5 gears, not 6 like you.
Yes, we would be shifting into 5th just before the end of the track, which is why alot of guys say you get better trap speeds by just bouncing off the rev limiter in 4th then shifting to 5th.

What do YOU use to tune VVT-i?
Old Sep 14, 2007 | 12:12 AM
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why dont you de-stroke?
Old Sep 14, 2007 | 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Menace
why dont you de-stroke?
i dont need to. all i need to do is raise the revlimiter. 7k rpm is perfectly safe to rev to. if i de-stroke then i loose alot of torque, and the loss of displacement would cause my turbo to spool slower.
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Right, but considering how you make so much power on top, you'd be able to utilize that power better, even past 7k. I think with your setup it would make up whatever you may loose on the bottom and then some.
Old Sep 14, 2007 | 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by GTRasta
bug greddy to make the v-manage for us. VVT-i tuning will give you wayyyy more usable power and torque than a bigger turbo will at this stage. Have you touchev VVT-i at all with a CAMCON or anything?
you're an idiot

http://www.greddy.com/products/displ...SubCategory=72

V-Manage


The V-Manage, Variable Valve Timing Controller was designed by GReddy engineers to take advantage of some of the modern technology OE Manufactures* are now commonly incorporating into their latest engines. Based on the intuitive controls, datalogging and Maps of the e-manage Ultimate software, a tuner with a laptop computer, can now alter the factory’s ECU control of valve-timing at any RPM and load to optimize power output and fuel economy. However by purchasing GReddy's application specific V-manage Kits, you can simply "plug & play." V-manage Kits, include the V-manage, CD software, Plug-in Harness with adapter, and Pre-programmed MAP to optimise cam timing for increase horsepower, toque, and boost response.

(* Mitsubishi MIVEC, Honda iVTEC, Nissan CVTC, Subaru AVCS, Toyota VVTi,VVTL-I, Dual VVTi)
Old Sep 14, 2007 | 01:01 AM
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Now, now, lets be nice
Old Sep 14, 2007 | 01:12 AM
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sorry i slipped
Old Sep 14, 2007 | 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by brett561tc
wow, quite the response. sorry folks no 11's. the stock diff will not let me launch. my best was a 12.69 @110 with a 2.1 60'. the thing is. i preloaded up to 4500rps. and dumped it. insted of launching the thing just fell flat on its face. so i let air out of the tires, but my 60' got even worse. so i let more out. my last run was a 60' of 2.7 the diff is in bad shape. the more grip i had, the more damage i did to the diff. until i get a lsd, i wont see 11's. i'll try and go back soon and run more psi tn the slicks so that it catches as the wheels are spining on the launch, and i might be able to get low 12's. once the car gets rolling it pulls like crazy. but it cant take the torque of a hard launch. so we'll see what happens with more psi in the tires next time. im hitting the rev limiter in fourth alot sooner. it hits right at about the 1000'. still doesnt leave me enough time two shift into fith and gain speed. so my trap speed will stay at 112 until i raise the redline.

Are you not aware that your tire specs can alter the RPM at which you cross the 1/4 mile line? Raise the rev limit if you want, or make a more simple approach and change the tire specs. The diff crapping out, I find hard to believe. First your clutch was slipping yet you ran 12.6 still. You upgrade the clutch and still run 12.6 (even a couple of tenths slower). Ones before that have ran low 12's were on stock tranny. Heck, the Hal (forget full name) ran 10.5 @ 140 on a stock transmission, and you would have us believe you are putting down some major TQ that exceeds the Stock diff...Not likely. Especially when the tranny has seen 10's in the 1/4 mile.

Where is AJ to give me the run down on the latest in "Bench Racing", seeing as how he was talking all that mess about the new kit being SUPER UBER superior over what you use to have? People will never learn will they.


Originally Posted by brett561tc
Originally Posted by nebster
well that sucks there wasn't much improvement over the zpi stage 1. I guess there is such a thing as too much power (if you can't control it). But either way we all know that if theres anyone to do it its you. GL
there is plenty of improvement over the zpi kit. i got the same time, with a much worse 60' and letting off at the end. that, and the obvious fact that it made much more power on the same dyno. all i can say is if you want to put this much power into a car, make sure that you can get it to the ground.

Much more Power?

I recall only a 28whp increase. You spent all that money and ran a slower time than you did with the 16G...

What happen to it being the "Real man's turbo"? I don't take the liberty to just start talking ****, but in this case I'll make an exception, cause had this been me, you would be all over that **** like white on rice.... That and you talked so much crap about how your stuff was going to be so much better. You spent how much again to run the same times?

PS....you said you want a piece of the Z when I get Twins on it. Off the shelf GReddy TT kit, 400whp Z will do low 12's at worst, and high 11's easy on a stock motor just to let you know what you are taking on.
Old Sep 14, 2007 | 02:36 AM
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huh? I dont' get it? Why is he an idiot?

So Brett,
What do you need to increase your rev limiter? I thought just having a built block would allow you to move it?
Can you do it with the greddy or the F/IC? Or do you need something else?

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