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Mr_Meaty 06-01-2007 03:01 AM

What? It does part thottle to? Does it come with the software as well?
If so, sorry paul, cause you just lost my sale on yoru black box!!! I was gonna pick one up this weekend!!!

Brett 06-01-2007 03:03 AM


Originally Posted by 318_tC
standalone? you dont need no stinkin stand alone :P

lol :rofl:
i know what your thinkin. at least our cars will have different paint jobs. :P

whorok305 06-01-2007 03:31 AM

very promising... Watching!

Mr_Meaty 06-01-2007 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by TurboToyotas

im sure that we can expect to see a p&p harness for this from dezod?
I hope so...(fingers crossed)

:)

Todd

From AEMPower's forums:

The PnP harnesses will be developed for a very large number of modern platforms.

The ones slated for imminent release are:
350Z/G35 (all)
Scion tC (all)

Followed in a few weeks by:
Scion xA/xB
Followed by many others, but the tC is right at the top listed for "imminent release"

soros151 06-01-2007 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by paul_dezod

Originally Posted by Brett
cool. but it seems like all other piggybacks. i want the aem standalone :love: but still its nice to have more choices as far as engine managment goes. thanks paul. im sure that we can expect to see a p&p harness for this from dezod?

Yep. We are hoping by late next week to have a harness built for it.

Also if testing works well, this will replace the e-manage in our kits. :)


I will get ya our AEM in the next week or 2 for your ride. I need to get my boost testing results first (June 6th).

Is this better than the e-manage Ultimate? Also, is it user-friendly like the e-manage software tool? Also, since u don;t know for certain any of this questions, please answer after testing. Please? :D

fairladyz541 06-01-2007 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by Mr_Meaty

Originally Posted by TurboToyotas

im sure that we can expect to see a p&p harness for this from dezod?
I hope so...(fingers crossed)

:)

Todd

From AEMPower's forums:

The PnP harnesses will be developed for a very large number of modern platforms.

The ones slated for imminent release are:
350Z/G35 (all)
Scion tC (all)

Followed in a few weeks by:
Scion xA/xB
Followed by many others, but the tC is right at the top listed for "imminent release"

Can it get any better................................ :bow:

AEM IS THE BEST...................... :love:

Nick06tC 06-01-2007 09:43 AM

deffinetly watching. AEM has always had good products. and competively priced

paul_dezod 06-01-2007 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Mr_Meaty
What? It does part thottle to? Does it come with the software as well?
If so, sorry paul, cause you just lost my sale on yoru black box!!! I was gonna pick one up this weekend!!!

I do not know if it does. I guess testing will reveal many of these answers.

jrodTc 06-01-2007 02:52 PM

Watching this as well!!! My emanage has been one giant headache!!!! I'd LOVE to kick it to the curb.

DelSolid 06-01-2007 07:04 PM

Hey Guys,

I just found this topic and I may be able to answer some questions. I am one of the Development Engineers on the FIC.

I have confirmed pinout information for the tC as well as tentative pinout info for the xA/xB. I put 200 miles on our development 2005 tC so I know that the installation is functional.

jrodTc 06-01-2007 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by DelSolid
Hey Guys,

I just found this topic and I may be able to answer some questions. I am one of the Development Engineers on the FIC.

I have confirmed pinout information for the tC as well as tentative pinout info for the xA/xB. I put 200 miles on our development 2005 tC so I know that the installation is functional.

What will be the advantage of this over the Emanage Blue or Ultimate? Will this have closed loop tuning capabilities (partial throttle)? What price point will this be at?

Thanks for your help and input!!!!!!!!!! :bow:

DelSolid 06-01-2007 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by jrodTc
What will be the advantage of this over the Emanage Blue or Ultimate? Will this have closed loop tuning capabilities (partial throttle)? What price point will this be at?

Thanks for your help and input!!!!!!!!!! :bow:

Well, the main drawback of the eManage blue is it's inability to control the injectors directly. That alone limits it's usefulness and makes it unsuitable for big injectors. Add to that the street cost of a programmable eManage blue with the universal harness is about $50 more than the cost of the AEM FIC which DOES control the injectors.

The eManage Untimate is a nice peice. It drives the injectors directly and more. It does not handle the ignition timing as nicely as the FIC does but it also has gobs of more add ons for progmammable outputs. The eManage Ultimate is *almost* a stand alone. But at $720 street ($499 unit, $90 harness, $99 pressure sensor, $30 sensor harness) it is almost $320 MORE than the FIC.

The AEM FIC was not intended to go head to head with the eManage ultimate. The FIC is designed to be a effective, simple and inexpensive way to add fuel and pull timing on modern cars.

We already have the AEM EMS. If you are looking for a way to control everything under the sun then go for it. The FIC is for all the people who don't want to spend an eternity configuring the fuel and spark on their turbo setup.

When we designed it, we always kept our focus on it's intended usage. It's designed for people who want to turbocharge their modern, (assume OBD-2) normally aspirated engine. They want to put bigger injectors in and pull timing when under boost. They need to clamp the MAF/MAP signal to the ECU to keep out of error situations and it can't set any codes. The drivability has to be like stock. An average guy has to be able to set it up. No jumpers or dip switches. It cant cost an arm and a leg and everything has to be included in the box. And thats exactly what it does, and it should hit the street at about $400.

jrodTc 06-01-2007 07:25 PM

^^ Thank you for your quick reply. this sounds like a great unit and exactly what i'm looking for. Thanks again for your info. I'll let the "experts" ask the harder questions. When can I expect to pick one of these up?

Nychold 06-01-2007 07:29 PM

Any idea when it will hit the street? I'm sure you can't give an exact date, but a release month might be nice. :D

paul_dezod 06-01-2007 07:47 PM

I would anticipate 2-4 weeks for sure.

DelSolid 06-01-2007 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by Nychold
Any idea when it will hit the street? I'm sure you can't give an exact date, but a release month might be nice. :D

The first shipments went out this week.

whorok305 06-01-2007 08:43 PM

Delsolid does it solve the part throttle issues that turbo tc's have?

DelSolid 06-01-2007 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by whorok305
Delsolid does it solve the part throttle issues that turbo tc's have?

I dont know. Our installation confirmation car was N/A. I expect that it will since there will be no fueling transitions to screw up the driveability.

318_tC 06-01-2007 09:48 PM

I think they are asking can you tune partial throttle with this unit.

DelSolid 06-01-2007 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by 318_tC
I think they are asking can you tune partial throttle with this unit.

Ah, I understand. Yes, you can tune partial throttle with this. It has two 17x21 maps based on load vs rpm. One for fuel and the other for timing.

I can see no reason that there should be any partial throttle problems. Why are you having them now? what system are you guys using the most and whats the specific limitation thats causing it?


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