You want to demonstrate how laggy or NOT laggy it is. You need to get a vid of the boost gauge while you are cruising on the interstate @ 60 mph (still in VAC). Don't gas it up to 60 mph and then floor it. You need to not be accelerating while cruising at 60. That way you are in VAC, and THEN say Go, and just mash the pedal so we can see how long it takes for you to come out of VAC and hit full boost.

And just my opinion....full boost by 4K+ RPM = laggy turbo kit.

Then again, I'm speaking from a mind set of hitting full boost by 2500 RPM.

 

Those Good looks don't come cheap I would imagine...

 

I have to comment on 2 things...

1st

Travis you are comparing apples to oranges....

as most know or should know any log manifold is going to spool faster than any equal length design. Wether its a bottom mount or top mount , the log wins the spool time regardless.

This manifold design will walk all over a log at certain point. Plus it makes it easier to make more power efficiently.

Also at the current boost levels this manifold design isn't really at its "sweet' point yet. You will see tremendous gains once the boost levels get into the teens, particularly with the turbo being used. Then there will be no comparison to a log style manifold.

2nd...

If you had any respect for good quality fabrication and knew the time it takes just to make a manifold of this design making comments regarding the price wouldn't be factor.

I mean this in the best way possible, its just frustrating to read comments regarding price when it comes to quality fabrication, even when a price hasn't been released yet.

If any of my comments need to be changed or deleted just let my know Jeremy and I will change/delete them.

Regards-

Todd

 

This is what Garage reported:



I had Mike (Whocares) look up his dyno sheet of his Stage 1. He reported back with

251lbs @ 3100 RPM

and

267whp @ 3800 RPM.


Just for comparisons sake when talking about "Street ability".

 

What set up is Mike(Whocares) running? Is it a log style manifold or an equal length design?

 

ZPI Stage 1, so log of course. Us and our itty bitty 16G turbo's.... This is why my preference has leaned more towards smaller turbos at decent amount of boost vs Larger turbo as far as an everyday scooting around the "Street".

You said

Do you think that running in the teens boost wise on this turbo will be Safe to push that much power on a Stock Motor?

That's why my philosophy has been......

Street :

Small turbo
10-12 lbs of boost daily
300+whp
Fast spooling to smoke those Evo's, STI's and the like
12sec 1/4mile


Race Setup:

Larger turbo
Built motor
20lbs of boost
Slower spooling but with 500+whp who cares!
10sec 1/4miles


Now on a side note:

I still might not convert over to the larger turbos........when I know a certain someone running a small turbo (16G) on a built motor tC, and walked a Brand New Viper by a Car... Now that's some Street fun right there... 10's are nice on a big turbo with Built motor, but I might settle for 11's on a small turbo and Built motor.

 

Not unless is on race gas...but thats a whole nother topic.

Like I said the log wins the spool contest....

On the street your log set up with the 16g might take it off the start but race to 1/4 mile or longer and well you know where I am going.

But I am a big fan of small turbos, its funny cause a GT3071R isn't a big turbo.

Just cause I don't get too many chances to be a smart @#!.... (see below)

Not really something to be proud if in my opinion. Most Viper owners can't drive the car to begin with, plus trying to get that power to hook up on the street is a whole other issue......

Sorry had too You know I mean well

But I'd love to see the look on the Viper drivers face when he got smoked by a TC.

Regards-

Todd

 

what boils down to on this log vs. tubular is just what the car is going to be the end reason for.. you want a simple setup to rip and dip on ppl and be very street friends and race friendly at low rpms... or do you want a monster that you can only race on a high roll and loose alot of traction because of the tq.. its really boils down to that..

@ the end of the day most ppl wont want to build their motors and just slap something simple and be on boost already.. their are few that wana be a badass and say yea i got a nice .67 rim under the hood.. not every kit is going to be for everyone.. i am a fan of both small and large turbos.. both have their pros and cons.. you are both right in your aspects.. just gotta let the noobs research and find out what they want at the end..

BTW that manifold is super nice.. i would prefer a smaller tubular style myself if i had that option or a full race manifold lol.. but log's are just as effective..small and large turbos ftw.. a win is a win.. no matter what the setup.

 

I'm sorry but I gotta chime in here. Walking over a Dodge Viper (550hp) is quite a feat in a 4 banger, even with a built motor. These cars run 11's stock all day any day...so yeah maybe the guy is slow on shifting, low 12's...still a nice kill with a small turbo!

Todd, I know you were being a smartass though so no harm, but I felt left out LOL

Small Turbos FTW!!!

 

That remains to be seen. Like I said, I'm eager to get one of the "Larger" turbo "slower" spool boys to come to the ShootOut to represent.


Not really something to be proud if in my opinion. Most Viper owners can't drive the car to begin with, plus trying to get that power to hook up on the street is a whole other issue......

Sorry had too You know I mean well

But I'd love to see the look on the Viper drivers face when he got smoked by a TC.

Regards-

Todd[/quote]


RWD > FWD, so who you think would have more problems trying to put the power down to the ground Huh?...

Sorry, had too You know I mean well too

Also, the race was from a Roll....Kinda hard to jack up an Interstate Roll Race encounter... Unless your wearing 3 inch Stack open toed shoes.....

 

The tC in question....IS fast enough to run 11's bro. GOD I swear, there is always someone to put their 2 cents in to say...."oh, he wasn't driving"....or...."he mis-shifted, you can hear it if you listen real close when the vid gets to 2:30 into it"...

Low 12's on a small turbo was done over 2 years ago WITHOUT a built motor...does that help in your doubt?

 

Log manifolds torque peaks quicker.... where as a tubular manifolds torque curve keeps climbing....in a drag race well you know who wins.

I am trying my best, the car will be ready but if the Mrs. throws out that veto.....I'll be reading about it.



Poor Viper

Anyways back on Topic......

Can't wait to see more results Jeremy

Regards-

Todd


PS- Travis how much boost is Mike(Whocares) running and what is his peak hp/trq?
This is related to the thread, just bare with me. Or if you can post up a dyno sheet of his and one of Jeremys for comparison....this will help

 

There's a vid of a tC beating a viper?!?!?!?!? Show me rhythm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Maybe what I posted came across wrong. I was giving mad props to the tc and stating the same excuses you listed are lame at best! *waves white flag*

 

Travis he's on your side !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

It's ok I re-read my post again and I can see where it sounds like I was not.

 

todd,

that was my car, and that power was made on 93 pump gas @ 10.5 PSI after its nonstop dyno tuning session. i believe this was like the 25th pull when it was finally dynoed. I made 292.8 WHP @ 10.5 PSI on the stage 1 kit.

I am no longer running this psi, i am now running 13.5 PSI on 116 race fuel. i also have another setting @ 7 PSI putting down 235 WHP.

any other questions i probably missed? lol, i dont feel like reeading through all those pages.

 

Mike-

Do you have a dyno plot of your 293 pass @ 10psi by chance? If not what rpm did your torque peak?

Also you go from 235 @7psi to 293 at 10.5? You make up allot of hp for only a 3.5psi difference. Is the 235 really detuned? Just being nosy. ;)

Regards-

Todd

 

Travis, here is the main difference between a stage 1 log and this type of setup...

296whp at 8 psi on an uber safe tune

Simply put, a setup this efficient making this power at low boost will walk all over a log kit at the same psi or even 2-4 more psi running the 1320. Sure you guys spool much quicker with your tiny turbos and that probably makes it fun bouncing in and out of boost all the time like a lot of the oem setups, and yeah if you only race running through 1 quick gear and then lifting, then you may have some advantage unless the other driver knows what he is doing But were you actually drive a car when running it hard in the mid - high rpm range, the power output just is not available as a log style and tiny turbo is just not efficient enough. You guys can argue 2500rpm boost levels all you like, but once you have driven with a setup like this you will understand it is no toy and not somthing to poke a stick at. Power is focused exactly were I want it if I am running it hard, torque a monster. FAR more than I ever expected out of stock internals. Anyways who drives there car around at 2500-2800rpm? Auto tranny drivers? Come on guys! haha.

Another nice fact, 4200 rpm = 304ft lbs @ 10 psi running high 10's a/f wise with a lot of timing pulled for testing *LOL*

Something even more fun 296whp @ 8 psi on an uber safe tune, Intense is going to get her out of the uber safe testing tune and at 8 psi I guarantee she will be making a little over 300+ whp at low boost! Try to do that with a 16G and a log. I pretty much only see 230-250whp runs at this boost level.

I simply love the way she runs, does not bounce into and out of boost with cruise control on eating gas and does not have to bouce into boost while taking a small hill. Driving this baby is bliss, and I am happy to take a freeway vid of how she spools! I plan a lot of vids.

I also WELCOME the locals in az to come check it out, will take locals out for a spin that want to feel the difference in power. I have a local guy running a stage 0 zpi and a few local buds running dezod kits. I am happy to let them give there opinion at how this car runs at 8 psi compared to there own cars at 10psi hehe



Here is the uber safe dyno run at 10 psi with the intense power kit. Please post up all of your dyno runs here if you want a side by side comparison! Then, I will be posting up this kits 8 psi run vs your 10 psi+ runs!

Also guys, do NOT forget! This testing was all done with a STOCK exhaust! Wait until the flow restriction is all free... then more numbers to come hehe.

 

Im having a hard time with my scanner, but i peaked at 287.7 SAE @ i believe 4200 -4500 RPM

Ill have to go to the dyno shop, hes got all my sheets.

I dont understand when you say detuned. Both were tuned anywere from 10.5 - 11.5 on the AFR