Ask yourself this question:


Can you afford to take $10,000 and light it on fire, watch it burn, then walk home?


If the answer is 'no' then you shouldn't go beyond basic bolt-ons.

 

come on homie lets keep this thread usefull. thats not true for no one on this site with FI.. if your total ammount come to 5,500 with everything including a tune.. have a grand on the side for all the little hickups you may encounter.

 

...what part of what he said was not useful? Blow your motor and tell us how much it cost to have it replaced and then see if our pricing didn't help you out any Everyone that FI's or uses NOS should understand that while yes you are infact getting more power, you are also accelerating the decline of the engine's lifespan. The more power you make the more stress is being put on the internals...and since they aren't forged, they aren't going to last too long. All it takes is one weak link in the motor and its history.

 

can you afford to take 10,000 dollars light it on fire and walk away? your kidding right... can you afford to light 300 on fire and walk away.. grow up.

 

Not seeing your point man. 10,000 is the avg. ballpark for new motor, fully rebuilt, including labor and reinstall. So you equate that to money, you blow your block you basically just burned that cash b/c now you need a new motor. That's why we say you have to pay to play. No one wants to burn any money and just walk away, which is exactly what we are emphasising here. Make sure you do it right the first time and make sure you have the money handy to fix something if it goes wrong. It'd be pretty bad if you spend 7-8k on a nice turbo setup only to put it on, get a bad tune, and blow it up. Then you have to spend even more than that to get the motor redone, and make sure none of the turbo kit was damaged in the process. It may seem like a cheap solution for power but in the long run it can be costly. We are just making an analogy to what you are really doing by short cutting yourself. Read up man.

 

and my point is that the phrase he used was horrible. why state the obvious.

first, you keep saying all this like everyone blows their motor? and then you ramble about a bad tune as if no one can tune a car with FI? read the fourth post on this thread thats me explaining how i, in the end will spend 10,000 and i understand the cost, but you put it in terms that are rediculous.

secondly, so whats wrong with buying a turbo kit installing tunning.. then having 1,000 on the side for hidden costs, maintenace and repairs? thats seems more realistic for people who cant "burn 10,000 and walk away...." not to mention most on here DD their tC boosted and having a thousand to 1,500 is more realistic.

thats my point.

 

Now your starting to amaze me...this will be my last post, hopefully I can make it crystal clear for you. Me AND the other guy were saying to make sure you have the money to cover your a$$ incase the worst case scenario happens. Now to qoute you:

"first, you keep saying all this like everyone blows their motor?"
Yes I do, don't I, maybe you should do what I stated earlier and read around... 300whp and about 10psi and the tC motor is about at its limits, go beyond that and your askin for trouble in the near future.

"and then you ramble about a bad tune as if no one can tune a car with FI?"
Last time I checked...a ramble consisted of more than one sentence pertaining to the said subject. I was not talking about a bad tune the whole time...a bad tune is just one of many scenarios that could cause the motor to pop so I used that as my EXAMPLE. You'd be surprised how bad some tuners are out there.

"secondly, so whats wrong with buying a turbo kit installing tunning.. then having 1,000 on the side for hidden costs, maintenace and repairs?"
There's nothing wrong with that at all...in fact its the right thing to do. We were just SAYING to make sure in the end, you will ultimately be able to fix your car should something go wrong.

With all this said, to the OP, just make sure everything is done right and no corners cut and you will be just fine. I'm out of this thread.

 

You spend $4,000 to turbocharge your car, another $1500 or so in supporting modifications, then you put a rod into the pavement and need a brand new engine.

Take the cost of the initial aftermarket parts combined with the cost of a brand new engine combined with labor rates if you don't do the work yourself and congratulations, you just lit $10,000 on fire and watched it burn.

My phrase was probably the wisest thing said in this thread.

I state the obvious because I've posted and lurked on this site for a good, long while and I know how stupid some of you people can be. What may be obvious to you could be considered string theory to the guy who put snow tires on his tC's rear wheels, and only his rear wheels.

 

have you seen my thread?
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=195078

to date my total is 4k it WAS 3100 until i started breaking things and needing to buy it.

but thats because install was done with hand tools and tuning is done by these two eyes.

 

wisest huh.....lol you're ridiculous man. Ok well let's look at my exact situation, a tuner's worst and best dream. I blew my motor on the dyno. 5 grand in the kit and I blew my motor. Ok so I had a credit card and some extra money around, so I bought rods, pistons, bearings,new head studs, put in the clutch, all new seals, balanced crank, ditched the balance shafts, and everything was done at the shop. For this a "paid" 4000 (actually less since the shop covered the labor, so really I paid about two grand, but for arguments sake let's say I paid the 4K). Ok so now I've payed 9,000 and I'm putting down 240hp and 270tq at 6.5 PSI extremely safely. Now if I'm to add a drop in Walbro and a boost controller I'm looking at 350-360ish Hp and if I get larger injectors I'll be looking at closer to 400-420. Now I don't consider that "burning 10 grand" lol. in fact I'm pretty sure it beats an MR ;)

 

Look I don't care for your arguement at all.....It's pointless b/c all that had to be said was that theres a risk when you FI your car...but I didnt ask if there were.....I just wanna get some good deals on stuff guys ..so plz refrain from arguing in the thread....

 

Wan, if you want to save money get a custom exhaust done at a local shop. I got a custom 2.5 turbo back exhaust for $400. ____e, even my buddy got a 3in. turbo back done for $400. Mandrel bends, stainless steel piping. so, i'd look around locally and see what you find. Get a clutch, ____ the flywheel. Checkout egauges.com for good pricing on gauges. If you look enough, you'll find an AFR gauge for around $275 which is what I paid. Just do some googling man.

 

ya couldn't of said it better. you dont need a HKS exhaust when your just paying for the name, go get a custom one done and say your self a nickel.

Also, it really depends on your power goals on how much you will be spending.

 

thanx guys thats what I wanted to hear...and a custom exhaust sounds good and since I don need th elfywheel..there goes another 325.....and as far as gauges go im know im getting th eUEGO which is like 300...then I need a boost gauge...any recommendations??? also what other gauges should I get?? to be safe..

 

boost and AFR is really all you need, all the rest are just preference. Oil Temp, Fuel Pressure, Voltmeter, there are a million gauges out there, but if you dont know what to look for, they aren't worth anything.

 

good point

 

ok..well I need a reliable boost gauge that wont cost me alot... was lookin at blurace gauges but they will run me like 170 ......is there anything cheaper that has good reliability??
I dont wanna go really cheap on gauges but I dont wanna spend 300 on ea....

 

zeitronix. if you buy the zeitronix lcd screen, plus the probes you need for boost and EGT, it comes with it's own wideband 02 sensor, and the cost of it all shipped is under $600.

 

is there a link available...this sounds interesting..

 

http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm