Well to be blunt, I did type a nice long message....but I hit the wrong button, and what do ya know! Its gone...great.

Well ill get right to the questions I had at the end....

1) Does the Supercharger's future look good? Any parts being produced?
2) What are some good #s people have laid down? I heard someone hit 250whp with tuning
3) Which do you prefer? Pssssh or Waaaaaah? haha

I know there are other posts on this, but I wanted to start up a new one and get more information....Thanks.

I would love to know I could get 280whp and around 260wtq with stock engine and Supercharger....I/H/E of course also, with some tuning I think it might be possible....and chip/manager....quiet possible!

Thanks again!

 

with blood and tears you might.

if ur target power is in that range, one word. Turbo

1. pulley's are out already. everything is custom as with any other setup

2. search keyword TRD s/c dyno

i.e https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...ght=trd+++dyno

3. none. cosmetic not performance.

 

find another way home pizza boy.

 

ur gonna need to put ALOT of money into the s/c if you wanna hit 250whp..and once you do, the real question would be how long the s/c would hold together. TRD s/c doesnt make the usual s/c whistling noise. it was built to be very quiet. as for its future, im not sure, but i hope they come out with some sort of upgrade package from trd..

 

$89 for a pulley and $300 for a header and s-pipe nailed me 231whp with a cel on running rich in the top end. Only other engine mod was a $50 sport 110 bypass valve. My car dynoed stock at 137whp. So yeah.. digging up another 19 whp. Should not be to hard.

 

The SC could probably dole out quite a bit of boost... In fact, probably has more "potential" than a turbo.

I'm not sure what the upper-end PSI specs are on our particular vortech units, but with the proper internals, proper fuel system upgrades/management and of course - the proper pulley - I see no reason you couldn't nail well over 300 without ever tossing a CEL.

 

Well this definitely aint happening nor is close to true but with a stage 2 package from www.forcefedracing.com (my car on the cover of the website) you can be at about 250whp for about a grand. K&N filter, exhaust, uni-chip(forcefed map) and 9.5 psi pulley. My car made 248.6whp. I got this done at 3000 miles and drove my car up until 21,000 without a problem. I did go through one supercharger but is was prior to mods.

 

With Water/Meth Injection, eManage and headers/exhaust.. you can get 238whp on the stock boost level.. just add some more boost and you can easily reach 250whp.

 

Sooooooo.... you don't think you could hit 300+ if you whipped up a pulley that did 15-20psi on forged internals, upgraded injectors/fuel pump/fuel rails, etc?

*I* think it's possible.

 

OH pfffff, if you did some internal work you can easily hit 300whp with pushin a good 19psi, i/h/e, manager, injection....I just dont want to go workin on internals...I ratehr not take another engine apart...ughhh

 

true, but if you wanna get it tuned, AEM will cost a pretty penny, as well as unichip. Emanage ultimate doesnt cost as much as the two..run's about $500 brand new w/o harness. then you gotta put in some more money for tuning..but i think when i said alot of money to hit 250whp, i subconsciously meant hitting 250whp while running reliably esp. with all the problems that have happened to those that have mods with their s/c. garage, ur one of the lucky ones who's s/c is running fine with all those mods. whoever installed ur s/c did a perfect job lol.

 

Well I don't know if you have actually opened up the inside of the supercharger and compared it to the blower that the claim it to be. I know everybody says it's good up to 19-20 psi cause thats what the SQ trim is. But however the one for TRD has a substantialy smaller compressor wheel that cannot push much more than 12psi max before it becomes extremely in-efficient. Trust me I've been there. We'll see what happens with KYTC when his project is done being intercooled it may help but it will be maxed out. Turbo is a much more efficient way to go. So by the time you have switched out your S/C head unit with one of the ones from vortech that is actually capable 19-20 psi and done all of your mods you would be in your kit about 8-10k just to get you close or barely beat the mark that turbo can hit by simply bolting it on and tuning the boost up a little bit. One way to get a little extra hp would be say my old system plus Water/Meth injection with a seperate aggressive map. And you coul get close to 275whp. I had a seperate map for 100 octane that made quite a difference however I never did get my numbers on 100 before I sold my car.

 

I have not opened the inside of it personally, but TRD provides a cutaway display model for dealers. I'm not sure where you're getting your 12 psi number, but I don't buy it without seeing it on a dyno above 12psi.

And I don't trust anything but my own two eyes

As for turbos being the more "efficient" way to go, I'd go that way if it didn't kill any option you ever had for being street legal. All the turbo kits to date stink.

 

its funny, as this post continues, it seems as if the expected Hp is actualy increaseing... in another page or 2 we might be looking at 400+hp!

 

I've spoke my peace and it seems they're is a very under educated audience watching this thread so I will be no longer watching. I'd rather not be correcting guesswork. PEACE!

 

Good idea, since you're pretty much guessing yourself - meaning you'd just wind up correcting yourself. You've said "You've been there," but I doubt you've been there under the correct circumstances... Talk is cheap, and I have plenty of money to throw at this

 

Not trying to knock the supercharger, but there have been many reported occurrences of the s/c seals blowing on both stock and modded tCs. And neither TRD nor Vortech will even SELL you replacement seals, so if something does go wrong you're gonna be on your own trying to find replacement parts. If these blowers are failing at 7psi, I really question whether or not they'll be able to handle the 20psi they're supposedly capable of.
My advice would be to go turbo if you're looking for that kind of power. By modding the S/C you'll effective lose your warranty anyway.

For a factory warrantied upgrade, the S/C isn't a bad deal. At least if you keep it unmodded you can get a replacement if the blower fails.

 

And they all had something in common. They weren't installed properly or were installed before TRD added the very important first step that's on a day-glo piece of paper on the outside of the manual. Maybe someone at sparks can confirm, but this is there to prevent these seals from blowing by correctly lining up the bearing housing with the rest of the assembly.

http://www.weckstrom.com/tctrdsc/page00.gif

Also, some of these "blown seals" may not be blown seals at all. I've already heard reports of people thinking their SC had blown seals when all it was was a normal by-product - sludge in the intake from blow-by gases. Get a friggin' catch can. That's what they're for.

So yeah. Mess with the SC, lose your warranty.

Install a turbo, lose your warranty *AND* you're no longer street legal. Oh, and you get the privilege of throwing random CEL's because of your swapped out exhaust manifold. No thanks. I'm all for turbos when done right, but no one has done it right on a tC yet.

 

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