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Old Oct 1, 2007 | 11:33 PM
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you need to do a cost-benefits analysis.

maybe, but it is all up to you. is the cost of buying an 05-06 supercharger kit, modifying it to work with an 07-08 tc, getting the reflash for the 07-08 tc, and the complete and total voiding of your engines powertrain warranty, and the cost of having to possibly replace the engine worth it?

the best part of having a supercharged tc is that it joins your powertrain warranty so long as your do not modify it.

so you decide, you can either try and save some $$$ and have a few headaches and problems and no warranty, and maybe a blown engine/supercharger. or you can pay the price for an 07-08 supercharger, or wait and see if the prices drop like they did for the 05-06.
Old Oct 1, 2007 | 11:39 PM
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They'll invariably drop, I'm not denying that. But here's my line of reasoning:

I decided on going with a s/c after the price drop. I was going to keep using my Injen CAI, and get an eManage Ultimate kit anyway. Furthermore, I don't care about my warranty, but I don't want to blow my engine up with a turbo setup. The way I see it, I was going to overcome the differences between model years anyway, so why pay $1100 more?
Old Oct 2, 2007 | 04:48 PM
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'07 parts list and install: http://www.trdsparks.com/install/PTR41-21070inst.pdf
'06 parts list: http://www.trdsparks.com/tC05SC.htm

I'm going up to my dealer today to get a parts list with item numbers.
Old Oct 2, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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the 06' kit provides a larger lower portion airbox. you reuse the top piece. so the '07 have the MAF sensor in a different location might be a problem.

honestly CDogbet, if your '07, which i believe you are just wait till the '07 kits drop. you dont wanna be tampering with the S/C with its history....
Old Oct 2, 2007 | 06:51 PM
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Since I installed my own 05 SC. I thought I'd take a look at the 07 manual and see what is different. Looks like the airbox is different, the heatshield is different, but probably most importantly the idler pulley configuration is different on the 07. The 05/06 has 2 idlers, whereas the 07 only has one. It also uses a different size belt.

Refer to page 36 on the 05 manual. http://www.trdsparks.com/install/PTR01-21050-90inst.pdf

And page 32 on the 07 manual. http://www.trdsparks.com/install/PTR41-21070inst.pdf
Old Oct 2, 2007 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sleep3r
honestly CDogbet, if your '07, which i believe you are just wait till the '07 kits drop
I would if I knew when they were going to drop in price, which I'm asking TRD directly about today. I would expect that it would take at least a year, maybe two, for them to drop... and I don't really want to wait that long if I can just make some modifications to the old kit. Plus, that tamper-proof bolt (as opposed to the cap) is very unattractive to me.

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but probably most importantly the idler pulley configuration is different on the 07. The 05/06 has 2 idlers, whereas the 07 only has one. It also uses a different size belt.
Good catch! I don't even see an idler pulley on the manifest for the '07 kit. Also, the belt is no big deal, it was probably going to be replaced regardless. Now, I think because the idler pulleys are for the supercharger itself, and not the engine block, I shouldn't need to worry about this discrepancy between model years.

I also went up to my dealer (Jay Wolfe Toyota/Scion of West County... it's on the sidebar), and they were unable to give me individual part numbers and prices for the manifest, besides the part numbers that were listed, and said that they couldn't order individual parts. After thinking about it, I realized that if I were to just order the individual parts (minus all the TRD intake parts) of the kit, I'd probably lose some of the savings that I would get ordering the kit... and would probably just come out even in the end. So if there's a general consensus that an '06 kit CAN go onto an '07... I'll order one, put up a HOWTO/DIY for the specialized install on this site, and see if it's really worth it first-hand.

They also quoted me $2130, despite Sparks' price of $1800... is Sparks just having their own sale, or should Jay Wolfe be offering $1800, too?
Old Oct 2, 2007 | 09:32 PM
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you also forget that buying parts online from sparks means no sales tax. don't know what it is in your state, but if my dealership decided to price match sparks, i'd pay more money in sales tax then i would in shipping. made the choice even easier.
Old Oct 2, 2007 | 09:43 PM
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$1887.04 with shipping from Sparks.
$2275.37 from Jay Wolfe at the MSRP, $1976.26 at Sparks' price.

I save about $90 having Sparks ship me a big 90lb box.
Old Oct 2, 2007 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottTc13
but probably most importantly the idler pulley configuration is different on the 07. The 05/06 has 2 idlers, whereas the 07 only has one. It also uses a different size belt.
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Good catch! I don't even see an idler pulley on the manifest for the '07 kit. Also, the belt is no big deal, it was probably going to be replaced regardless. Now, I think because the idler pulleys are for the supercharger itself, and not the engine block, I shouldn't need to worry about this discrepancy between model years.

Yeah the block is the same, so it should bolt up fine. I noticed that the pulley is attached to the super charger bracket in the pic of the 07, so that is probably why there is no individual part mentioned. Honestly, if I had an 07, I'd buy the 05 and put it on. I can't see any obstacles that would be impossible to circumvent. I think that the biggest issue would be obtaining the reflash module for the 07 and figuring out how to make the airbox work. The 07 SC looks like it comes with the top and bottom, where the 05 you re-used the OEM top. The 05 MAF sensor is attached to the top half of the airbox. I'm not sure how the 07 is.
Old Oct 2, 2007 | 11:34 PM
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oh i just read the post your replied to me and just an FYI the 05-06 kit from sparks comes with the tamper proof cap not bolt. and you get a new redesigned s/c bracket.

but you prolly already knew that. its cool and no joke too because the hugh s/c box says VERSION 2
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 12:10 AM
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A redesigned s/c bracket for the 05-06 kit? Awesome. Do you know what they changed about it?

Amd yeah, that bolt is bad news. You either have to weld it or drill it to get it off.

EDIT: I think I'm going to take out a small loan tomorrow, and start setting up for this project. I think there's enough evidence in favor of this working that I can do it without any major snags, and can make up a somewhat coherant howto if anyone wants to follow this.
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 05:24 AM
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it is what they call "idiot proof" the major concern for the S/C is correct installation of properly torqued bolts on everything.

this new redesigned S/C bracket is more sturdier and if you over torque it, it is fine.

and dont worry about the BOLT, as i said it comes with the CAP not BOLT so your ok as in if u wanna change the pulley

hey, if u can mod the 06 S/C to work with 07 then go for it....
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Sleep3r
it is what they call "idiot proof" the major concern for the S/C is correct installation of properly torqued bolts on everything.
Right, and Sparks has the installation manuals for both versions (as ScottTc13 pointed out earlier), so I've got the torque specs for every bolt.

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this new redesigned S/C bracket is more sturdier and if you over torque it, it is fine.
That's what I like to hear!

I also just read the official stickied S/C info thread (), and it's got what looks to be all the parts and part numbers on it... but I'd have to go shopping for bolts/etc., and that's going to make this project a real pain in the ___ for myself and anyone else looking to do this. Also, as I stated before, I believe it would probably be as expensive if not more expensive to order the parts of the kit individually without the intake. So for the sake of ease, and because I don't feel like having my face on the wall of a parts department somewhere with a bullseye on it, I'm just going to buy the '06 kit, and recommend it in the write-up I'm planning. That way, I can keep the shopping list down to a minimum of parts needed.


Alright, as of right now, my shopping list of parts that are required to make this work contains:
1. '06 TRD Supercharger - $1850
2. Injen Cold Air Intake - $260
3. GReddy eManage Ultimate - $550
3a. eManage Harness - $95
4. DC Sports Ceramic Header - $335

All in all, this project is looking to be around $3100. Lets do some math!
(all numbers are approximated for shipping/dyno est./etc.)

'07 kit
$3000 ($3200 + $500 = $3700 for factory install)
195hp/185tq
$15.38/$16.22 per hp/lb-ft ($18.97/$20.00 for factory)

CDogbert's '06 kit
$3100
215hp/205tq
$14.42/$15.12 per hp/lb-ft

So basically, by my estimations, I figure for another $100 more than the cost of the parts, you can get a s/c setup that nets you 20hp more than the original. And if you don't care about your warranty and bolt the '06 kit on all by your onesie, you end up saving $600. You can get a lot more out of your setup with that $600, too, if you do decide to reinvest your savings back into your car.
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 04:36 PM
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hey kill the dc header and get MMW, 4-2-1 ftw

also if your getting dc cuz of ceramic i dont think it makes a significant difference. you can always wrap it or jet hot coat the mmw

and you might as well get the upgraded pulley w/ belt for like another 130-150 and get and extra 20whp
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 05:17 PM
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I thought about doing the upgraded pulley and belt, but I only wanted to go with things that were absolutely 100% necessary to get the '06 kit on the '07. If someone wants to get an upgraded pulley, they can do that with the $600 they're saving by getting this kit and putting it on themselves.

And I did put DC's header on there for the ceramic coating. I personally don't like the look of wrapped headers, and Jet Hot would just add to the cost. $3100 is, for the most part, as high as I'd like to go with this project.
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 05:43 PM
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cool as long as you knew the other options good luck to ya
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 07:58 PM
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89.99 for the NST Pulley. I'm running the belt that came with the SC with no problem. =D The way my calculations have added up...

90 bucks for 20 hp = Sweet!!!
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 09:08 PM
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Did you add the cost of the tune on your emanage to your setup? Typically a good tune will cost around $300. Where do you get an emanage harness for $95?

Also, the Injen CAI does not bolt up to the S/C. AFAIK, the only one that does is the WeaponR Intake.

Is there any reason to buy an aftermarket header at all?

I just question whether this is all worth it, considering the #1 reason for the s/c is warranty retention. If you don't care about that, doesn't the $4200 Dezod turbo kit look a little sweeter than the $3100 pieced together s/c?
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 09:21 PM
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im assuming he just wants to be the first one to do it, so props for him
Old Oct 3, 2007 | 09:46 PM
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agreed, it will be good just for curiosity's sake



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