no its not.. someone already did a list of pricings. the amount of money u spend on the s/c and supporting mods to get near 280 whp u might aswell build ur own custom kit and get tuned with a turbo. and then ull also have more torque.

 

im tired of this s/c vs turbo crap.....s/c= weak sauce!!!!....end of story

 

TT FTW!!!!!! They get so much hp

 

Im in the Army and I deal with a lot of acronyms so please help me out. What is FTW?

 

FTW=For the win, I didnt know what it meant until like a month ago lol.

 

FTW=for the win. I would of neva guessed that.

 

FTMFW= FOR THE ***** FU***N WIN

 

I never did either lol

 

It's clear you don't know what either applications are capable of. It's clear that you don't know that the TRD S/Cer is a Centrifugal type S/Cer. It is clear that you are a noob to SL, at least the F/I section. Bro, I've been here before there was ever a F/I section on this site. How you figure you going to come in here and tell people who have been here and are boosted, what application does what and wins...come on dude. Dezod don't build kits by the way. They sell them, there is a difference.

And JUST an FYI for you about that 311whp on Ice9's S/Cer......It was with Methanol Bro....LOL. Not pure S/C'er. Turbo tC's put that down on 9 - 10 PSI on 93 octane pump gas only.

It won the first race? Bro, you don't get it......The Stage 0 (basic bottom of the barrel kit) on 6 PSI with 3 People in the car, vs a TRD S/Cer with EVERY bolt-on + a 9.5 PSI pulley. And the Stage 0 beat him.

Go back, do your research. You would find that there is perhaps not a single S/C'er only (meaning no nitrous added, methanol) that has ran into the 13's in the 1/4 mile.

The only S/C'ed tC worth mentioning is the Jackson Dawson Race car that is powered by a S/C'er. However its not just a S/Cer either.

Point blank Turbo > S/Cer let it go.

 

^^ game set match.

 

Biased because i have a turbo....right. My boy has a S/C'er. I know what it does. I tell you what, go get a S/cer, and I hope you have fun with that. When a manual tC with I/H/E is door to door with your S/C'er only tC don't come crying on here about how your car is slow.

Saying a S/C'er hasn't blown a motor on here......LOL...that only tells me more that you are a noob to this forum.

And if you ask my boy Rich if he was satisfied with the performance of his S/C'er next to a turbo, he will tell you NO. But he is a good sport and willing to make the best of the kit. He has to add a lot more to his car to be what a basic turbo kit does.

You got bent out of shape because I told the truth, a 14 PSI S/C'ed tC will keep up with a 9 PSI turbo tC. Seeing it winning....I'm still going to put my money on the turbo FTW with the drivers being equal in skill that is.

You beg to differ then prove it.

 

No it's not. It is No where near being cost effective bro. I can count on probably 2 fingers the number of S/C'ed tC's making over 260whp. Why....Just not cost effective.

 

This sucks. Since everyone's quoting this guy I have the text of him agreeing with me reposted a billion times. *****.

I said superchargers have their place. For like, 95% of people wanting more power - scratch that - for 100% of people who just want more power, turbo is 10 times out of 10 a better choice. It's more efficient and ultimately costs less. Due to the simplicity of turbochargers, especially externally wastegated (ie mostly two hunks of metal with blades and bearings inside) they're very reliable and, made with your average market quality, far less liable to break than a gear driven supercharger (ie the one available for the tC) which means most of the reliability rests on the guy who is doing the tuning. That 'human error' aspect sounds bad but considering you gotta tune a supercharger to max power the risk is equivalent.

The notion that "you have to evaluate and choose for yourself" is true but is a worthless and empty thing to say. Far more telling is all that crap that JrTcs said about power bands and peak power and whatever else. It tells of a lot ignorance. Ignorance isn't a bad thing unless you choose to hold on to it. JrTcs, I suggest you learn more before making these arguments.

I said superchargers have their place. The two I can think of are one, for those who just want a little more power and a warranty that covers their FI car, and two, for those who take part in races that involve a lot of low speed turns, like autocross. Of course, plenty of Evos and STi's and SRT4's do autoX.

 

when a car gets tuned what do they do just hook a computer up to it and set the settings etc.. im a complete noob about tuning or anything my friend did my turbo on my civic

 

Supercharger takes power away from you engine to make power 7lbs = 192 hp
Turbocharger doens't take power away from your engine it runs off the exhaust most turbos 7lbs = 230hp.

Supercharger = limitations
Turbocharger = no limits!

Enough said.


On topic if you want to see you kit this millennium get Dezod and if you are an extremely patient person and feel like waiting for quality then get TT.

 

correction.. most turbo's on our cars will produce over 250 wheel at 7psi and if not.. thats it not that good of a setup.

 

Our kits would not exist if it where not for us making them sir.


The JD tC is running a 10 PSI NST S/C Pulley with a TRD IC on our AEM EMS. So really it is a S/C tC running liquid to air ICing.

 

That is the one place that I said I would use a S/Cer as well, on the AutoX.





Let me clarify for you in what I was saying. By "building" kits, I'm talking....doing your own welding on the manifolds, welding pipes, installing kits, getting dirty. Unless you guys acquired a welding setup I didn't know about, not to long ago, and you have physical hands in your office stamping out stuff, then I stand corrected. If not, then I don't consider you as "building" kits. Just my opinion, no intention on insulting your business. Just keep making money, that's what you do best. Like can somone drive to your place and you hand build them a kit from scratch?

As for the comment about the JD car. It's a Race Car, completely gutted, shaved hundreds of lbs from, running a S/C'er with a Stand Alone Fuel Management system and a Liquid-Air intercooler setup. That to me is not a S/C'er only or Average S/C'er setup nor can it be compared to any S/C'er on these forums. A highly modded S/C'er on these forums and in the street world is a S/C'er with an upgraded pulley, and all the bolt-ons you can put on it. That's considered a modded S/C'er in the normal peoples hands. And we all know it gets trounced by a lower PSI pushing turbo equipped tC.

And it's no brain surgery that if the JD tC left all in place except the S/C'er, and ran a turbo on 10 PSI instead, that it would be twice as fast.

 

Yes we have full welding/fab capabilities and have a Lincoln TIG machine in house. My personal beads right here:


We can build something custom with the proper lead times and the proper $$ to compensate for time and effort. However, we don't have a ton of man power to blow on stuff like that.

 

^^Ok, I stand corrected. Good job. How long have you guys had the gear?