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Old Mar 23, 2007 | 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by citizen01
I can understand why building a car up like that is appealing but since this is my daily driver (My 06 GTO is my baby) I want reliability.
If you have a 06 GTO....why dont u keep the tC stock(use as daily driver) and dump all the extra cash you would have spent on the turbo/350z into the GTO. Makes sense doesnt it? 06 gto LS2 engine stock has 400hp, and and 400tq(?) thats not bad at all, it would beat a stock 350z in a straight any day but handeling is a different story. you could always spend all that extra money trying toget teh GTO to handle like a Z tho lol!!!

Thats just what makes the most financial sense to me
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 02:15 AM
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Chris Rado does it on a Road course....does that count?
I didn't even know his team did auto-x. The World Racing site only shows the drag cars :p

I guess it could, but the amount of money invested into team/shop cars is kind of self-defeating. I'd love to be able to have the same output as the AMS or Buschur or RobiSpec Evo's, or even the CyberEvo, but that's beyond my level of funding or commitment.

The only results mentioning Rado I could find on a quick google romp were from the Redline Time Attack at Buttonwillow with a clockwise #13 setup (http://www.buttonwillowraceway.com/race_13.htm)

Lots of straightaways and very light turns, which would give a bit of an advantage to RWD and FWD cars. Looking at the Unlimited class results (which he was racing in), the RWD and FWD posted lower average times than the AWD class. Dominated by the RWD S15 Silvia, who raped everyone

So with enough mods and money, the gap can certainly get smaller. I won't argue that.

But one race on one track is hardly anything to go on for either side of the argument.
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 02:24 AM
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ok this talk has me wanting to post these photos of this gto that was at the dyno. here drool on these.

yes its twin charged.


Old Mar 23, 2007 | 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mattvs
Chris Rado does it on a Road course....does that count?
I didn't even know his team did auto-x. The World Racing site only shows the drag cars :p

I guess it could, but the amount of money invested into team/shop cars is kind of self-defeating. I'd love to be able to have the same output as the AMS or Buschur or RobiSpec Evo's, or even the CyberEvo, but that's beyond my level of funding or commitment.

The only results mentioning Rado I could find on a quick google romp were from the Redline Time Attack at Buttonwillow with a clockwise #13 setup (http://www.buttonwillowraceway.com/race_13.htm)

Lots of straightaways and very light turns, which would give a bit of an advantage to RWD and FWD cars. Looking at the Unlimited class results (which he was racing in), the RWD and FWD posted lower average times than the AWD class. Dominated by the RWD S15 Silvia, who raped everyone

So with enough mods and money, the gap can certainly get smaller. I won't argue that.

But one race on one track is hardly anything to go on for either side of the argument.

It's not one race. They have a Time Attack tC. It's in the video's section on World Racing's website. Not just one race at Button Willow.
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 05:03 AM
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thats a monster!!!!
bro just get over it mustangs suk, there american, its a ford, and they dont come close to a Z
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 06:16 AM
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some people on these forums are TOO biased...
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 06:28 AM
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put a v6 on the tC and lets see if you trade in your turbo dreams for a 350z.
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 07:23 AM
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itll be foolish to put a v6 in a tc now, the whole purpose of getting the Z is for the drifting reasons, if u want power ud probably get more out of a turbo tC, than a v6 tC.....upgrades on the v6 is going to be difficult, and requiring alot of custom work. see if thats not too biased.
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mattvs
I'll be whupping EVOs, STIs, 350z, G35s, Camaros and Mustangs. It costs A LOT less to soup up a tC and make it faster than a car that costs you over thirty grand.
Only if you plan to only "race" purely stock cars from 40mph rolls, you've got a point.
A lot of people around where I live, that own those vehicles, are mainly stock. Not many people around here shell out thirty plus grand on those cars and then soup them up after they get them. As I mentioned, it cost A LOT more money to make a stock "fast" car even "faster". Many people around here would consider it "not even worth it". Even so, when you're driving those cars, you would never expect a tC to keep up or lose by only half a car length, let alone BEAT you.

And sure, those cars can take me off the line, but I would probably catch up pretty quickly and surpass them. If I don't, then that'll just give me more motivation to make my car even faster.
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 06:12 PM
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some people on these forums are TOO biased...
Because I've driven both, I've every right to be biased.

put a v6 on the tC and lets see if you trade in your turbo dreams for a 350z.
The 350z would be cheaper in the long run. The sheer amount of custom fabrication needed defeats the idea in the planning stage.

A lot of people around where I live, that own those vehicles, are mainly stock. Not many people around here shell out thirty plus grand on those cars and then soup them up after they get them. As I mentioned, it cost A LOT more money to make a stock "fast" car even "faster". Many people around here would consider it "not even worth it". Even so, when you're driving those cars, you would never expect a tC to keep up or lose by only half a car length, let alone BEAT you.

And sure, those cars can take me off the line, but I would probably catch up pretty quickly and surpass them. If I don't, then that'll just give me more motivation to make my car even faster.
A turbocharged tC can be quick. That's where it stops.

A shop going 100% custom with one-off parts and however many engines it takes to get it working and running only proves that if you throw enough money at it, you can fix just about anything.

I won't compare World Racing's tC (the drag or the auto-x'er) to any non-shop car because it's not a fair comparison. For the same reason, I won't compare the AMS or Buschur Time Attack Evo's to mine or any other street-driven Evo.

And depending on the platform, it doesn't take much to make a fast car even faster.

I could go into details of the Buschur parts or the AMS parts or post track times but it would likely fall on willfully deaf ears. So think whatever you want.
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 07:05 PM
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^^Only if you do the same...lol
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 07:08 PM
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ok number 1
to soup up a 350 z is not hard, they have twin turbo kits out for them.

number 2
a tc can be fast, faster then you expect. its more impressive to see a non sports car spank your ___ then a sports car. to put a v6 in a tc is a waste. build the motor for that money and stomp anything on the road. that tc that is fully built in the other thread that ran a 10.5 quarter mile and is streetable, lemme tell you something. what was his trap speed, around 140mph? guess what, a twin turbo saleen's quarter mile trap speed is around 140, so your telling me your little tc costing 30k with cost of vehicle is stomping a 100+ thousand dollar car, impressive.


my tc, 17400 out the door
3300 for my turbo kit
1000 invested past that
about 22k and i wave as i fly by the 350z's, g35's so on so forth. even if they've been modified they better at least have a turbo or a built motor. intake and exhaust and im still flying by them.
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 07:14 PM
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^^You forgot to add "Priceless" at the end Pollup...lol.
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 07:20 PM
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Agreed. Outperforming a more expensive car is priceless. To me its the whole point. What have you accomplished if you beat a 350z or an STi, evo, whatever in something of the same caliber? Nothing. Do that in a tC and you should be considered a hero.
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Originally Posted by pollup
ok number 1
to soup up a 350 z is not hard, they have twin turbo kits out for them.

number 2
a tc can be fast, faster then you expect. its more impressive to see a non sports car spank your butt then a sports car. to put a v6 in a tc is a waste. build the motor for that money and stomp anything on the road. that tc that is fully built in the other thread that ran a 10.5 quarter mile and is streetable, lemme tell you something. what was his trap speed, around 140mph? guess what, a twin turbo saleen's quarter mile trap speed is around 140, so your telling me your little tc costing 30k with cost of vehicle is stomping a 100+ thousand dollar car, impressive.


my tc, 17400 out the door
3300 for my turbo kit
1000 invested past that
about 22k and i wave as i fly by the 350z's, g35's so on so forth. even if they've been modified they better at least have a turbo or a built motor. intake and exhaust and im still flying by them.

That is Priceless
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Just to chime in, maintenance on the Z will be much higher, with added insurance, gas costs, everything across the board increases. I just prefer tuning a car and modifying it versus getting it out of the box, so please understand when I say keep the TC, I am biased to the fact that I enjoy taking a "economy car" and making it a fast car. Obviously making a FWD car handle the same as a RWD car is not going to happen, but thats comparing apples to oranges. Power-wise, 5-6k and you've outpowered most 30+ k cars. Heck I'm a finance major, just enjoy saving money to get the same power.
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Originally Posted by bcnu_702
Just to chime in, maintenance on the Z will be much higher, with added insurance, gas costs, everything across the board increases. I just prefer tuning a car and modifying it versus getting it out of the box, so please understand when I say keep the TC, I am biased to the fact that I enjoy taking a "economy car" and making it a fast car. Obviously making a FWD car handle the same as a RWD car is not going to happen, but thats comparing apples to oranges. Power-wise, 5-6k and you've outpowered most 30+ k cars. Heck I'm a finance major, just enjoy saving money to get the same power.
my car handles better then most rwd cars. for a bolt on 650 dollar suspension i can take some serious turns and not even squeel tires. now if i can only get megan racing to send me the rest of it lol.
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my car handles better then most rwd cars. for a bolt on 650 dollar suspension i can take some serious turns and not even squeel tires. now if i can only get megan racing to send me the rest of it lol.
I would not doubt that, but for drifting and other certain sports, that is what I was referring to. Other then that, a TC can handle much better then any other car, but as you said, it does not take much at all. Just depends on if someone wants it "out of the box" or if you have a modifier's mindset (with a budget (don't know one who doesn't have a budget)).
Old Mar 23, 2007 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bcnu_702
my car handles better then most rwd cars. for a bolt on 650 dollar suspension i can take some serious turns and not even squeel tires. now if i can only get megan racing to send me the rest of it lol.
I would not doubt that, but for drifting and other certain sports, that is what I was referring to. Other then that, a TC can handle much better then any other car, but as you said, it does not take much at all. Just depends on if someone wants it "out of the box" or if you have a modifier's mindset (with a budget (don't know one who doesn't have a budget)).
yeah drifting, not so much lol. im not much for drifting, not much for racing either. i just have an expensive blow off valve lol. thats all i wanted.
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The way I look at it, I have my whole life to get a high end car and mod that ish out of it. I have my whole life to get a dream car too...

Right now, I'm a full time college student working a part time job, that wants to have a fast, great looking car, while still being able to eat and not audit my finances if I want to spontaneously go to the movies... Live within your means.

It's also tons of fun to be in a lower end car and beat a higher end one. Turbo tC FTW!



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