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Old Jun 11, 2009 | 12:38 AM
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I've got the turbonetics kit (watercooled) using the base AEM F/IC map provided. It runs great... even at idle w/ AC on. I've had it on the dyno and the A/F is a little rich but nothing severe. It's basically street safe and produces 261 hp and 263 ft/lb torque. So far so good... until I connect a vacuum hose to my F/IC for data logging now that I have my UEGO installed (works great). When it is connected to the F/IC, at idle the RPM's drop a few and it sputters. It stalled on me once. When I take it off the fitting on the F/IC and plug it with the tip of my finger, she purrs like a kitten! Drivability is the same beyond idle as far as I could tell. Is this common with the F/IC's? I have two T fittings coming off the vacuum line from the throttle body, one for the BOV and one for the F/IC. My boost gauge uses the T fitting from the manifold. Any suggestions??
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I've got the turbonetics kit (watercooled) using the base AEM F/IC map provided. It runs great... even at idle w/ AC on. I've had it on the dyno and the A/F is a little rich but nothing severe. It's basically street safe and produces 261 hp and 263 ft/lb torque. So far so good... until I connect a vacuum hose to my F/IC for data logging now that I have my UEGO installed (works great). When it is connected to the F/IC, at idle the RPM's drop a few and it sputters. It stalled on me once. When I take it off the fitting on the F/IC and plug it with the tip of my finger, she purrs like a kitten! Drivability is the same beyond idle as far as I could tell. Is this common with the F/IC's? I have two T fittings coming off the vacuum line from the throttle body, one for the BOV and one for the F/IC. My boost gauge uses the T fitting from the manifold. Any suggestions??


that little nipple on the back of the fic is the internal map sensor...its how the fic figures out wher you are in boost and vac.... idk how you tuned without it


i can send you a map and try it out with the fic pluged into a vac source...
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The tune came pre-programmed from turbokits.com. There wasn't any "tuning". It was just a dyno run with A/F and boost measured. Just plug and play! I did check the map on my laptop before running the tune on the car to make sure it wasn't a zero'd out map. Everything about the kit works perfectly except when I plug the vac line into the nipple on the F/IC. I've got my wideband tied into the F/IC as well.
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maybe they did maf based fuel? i have no idea - def not the right way to tune a boosted car when u have map available - the fic is designed to work with the map sensor for boosted applications. Connect it properly and tune accordingly
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I took a better look at the maps on the F/IC tune I'm running now. It looks like the majority of changes were made on the MAF map. She runs great as is (with vac hose detached) so when I save up a bit of money, maybe I'll take it to CFT in Orlando to get dyno-tuned from scratch. As of now, I'm still at 7.5-7.8 psi and my A/F ranges from 10.4-11.7.
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Originally Posted by rangerryda
I took a better look at the maps on the F/IC tune I'm running now. It looks like the majority of changes were made on the MAF map. She runs great as is (with vac hose detached) so when I save up a bit of money, maybe I'll take it to CFT in Orlando to get dyno-tuned from scratch. As of now, I'm still at 7.5-7.8 psi and my A/F ranges from 10.4-11.7.
do you wanna try my map with the fic pluged in?
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I'd be willing if it is designed for the stock Turbonetics V2.0 setup. If it is scratch built for a different setup, I would be hesitant to try because it runs great as-is. The only loss I have at the moment is when data logging with my laptop, the car might stall at idle. Drives just fine out of idle. I also have another idea if all else fails... Below is my dyno table of the 2nd of 3 pulls.
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afrs dont look too bad...a mit rich in some spots but a very safe tune...i thought that with the turbo thats with the turbonetics kit would make full boost alot earlyer though...idk...

anyways i have an arsload of tunes but non made just for the turbonetics kit...its not so much the kit its the turbo that makes the difference...alot of other factors are in there too but mainly its the turbo. hows your ign map? how many degrees of retard are you at per psi of boost?
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btw you can always go back to your tune...nothing is permenant
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As far as making boost sooner, it's still got the stock S-Pipe and second cat and the pull was in 4th gear. The dyno operator usually tinkers with Mustangs and Diesels. When I drive the car, I hit full boost at 3-3.2k. My ignition map is zero'd out. Fuel only has a slight increase up to 1250 RPMs, then zeros. The O2 has a good amount of adjustments done. I'm throwing a CEL for the 2nd O2 but it did that during the dyno pulls :?
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ummmmmm noooooooooooo

it means your not pulling any timeing....not a good idea...your running a hot ign map bro thats why you made the power you did...what i mean to say is your afr's are pretty good and with not pulling anytimeing your makeing some killer power but i personaly wouldnt run an ign map like that. you run a risk of knocking and detonation...
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I'm not terribly tech savvy when it comes to tuning. If you have a map that you think will work safely, feel free to send it to me. If you need any additional info, just let me know. In the meantime, I'll see if I can squeeze in some dyno-tuning time over at CFT.
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