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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tstalion79
this is the one thing i prayed wouldnt happen; people trying to race their tc's. they are just going to turn into the next rice mobile, and they will become known for only that. honestly, why did you get a TC if you want to race? Why didnt you get a mustang or camaro or something? Even an srt4... Seriously. We need to understand that our cars are econoboxes and are pretty slow. Let's not make the TC a part of the rice revolution. Seriously. We have slow cars and we need to face it.
Whoa whoa whoa...slow down there. I don't think the tC is by any means "slow" Sure, I agree, it's not a Camero or Mustang. It's not fast...but it's also sure as hell not "slow" When I think of slow I see a Civic or a Corolla ... (stock ofcourse) ..the tC is in a whole different field.
Old Aug 13, 2004 | 02:45 AM
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Fast..Slow... All matter of opinion. I've ridden in friends Supra's that run 10's.. Those are FAST. I had a celica gts that ran 14.3 It felt SLOW comparitively. But to some people 14.3 is really fast. I'd say if the TC runs 15.7 it's "quick" but not fast. Once i get some miles on my TC i'll take it to the track and see for myself how it runs. But personally i'd say as it sits stock.. the TC is not "fast" ... to me haha Just all the more reason to turbo or supercharge it.
Old Aug 13, 2004 | 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tstalion79
this is the one thing i prayed wouldnt happen; people trying to race their tc's. they are just going to turn into the next rice mobile, and they will become known for only that. honestly, why did you get a TC if you want to race? Why didnt you get a mustang or camaro or something? Even an srt4... Seriously. We need to understand that our cars are econoboxes and are pretty slow. Let's not make the TC a part of the rice revolution. Seriously. We have slow cars and we need to face it.
yeah man go buy a mustang.. cus my tib with just a cai + 250$ exhuuast is faster than those really really fast mustangs..

whats so damn wrong with getting a car that actually looks good and making it fast?
Old Aug 13, 2004 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mikochu
Originally Posted by zoltiz
Whatever you shave off your R/T reduces your 1/4 time plus a little more - so yes, it does matter

Think about it - the light turns green - the timer starts ticking, and if you are sitting there slowly letting go of your clutch, adding some gas - the timer is still ticking...
At the track I go to..the ticker doesn't start until your tires get out of the way of the sensors...

If it's a factor in your quarter mile...and I had a perfect R/T of .5...I would've gotten a 16.4 with my stock xA...I don't think that's right...
i'm getting a little confused. doesn't the time stop after your tires leave the sensors? i know that a perfect reaction time is .500 from the last yellow to the green. so doesn't the timer start on the yellow light and after you leave the sensors it stops it so it can measure the R/T? can someone please clarify. thanks
Old Aug 13, 2004 | 07:24 AM
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Think of it like this. A Reaction Timer starts on the last yellow to time how long it takes for you to start moving on the green light. THEN.. once you start moving, your 1/4 mile timer starts. So reaction time has absolutely nothing to do with your 1/4 mile time.. this is a very common misconception.
Old Aug 13, 2004 | 01:41 PM
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^^ thanks that helped a bunch :D
Old Aug 13, 2004 | 04:12 PM
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ROFL, here you go for all you Mustang and Camaro lovers. Mustang... Camaro, fast? I think not, my brothers CRX has smoked MANY, MANY, did I say, MANY Mustangs and Camaro's.

No, not stock, but modded. Exhaust, off road H-Pipes, headers, full intake upgrades. My brothers got a mid to high 11 second CRX and yes it's a daily driver. It breaks a lot due to the wear and tear we put on it at the track but it will smoke pretty much anything you throw at us. So yeah, STFU you mustang and camaro guys, you just got served. :oops:
Old Aug 13, 2004 | 04:29 PM
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All i can say, i'm making my tC fast now. should be running 1/4m by Sept or Oct.

1/4m around 12second at 110-125mph
vroom vroom
Old Aug 13, 2004 | 08:35 PM
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i don't understand this whole thread....its pointless all around. so here i go making it worse. only a few people actually answered the real question that started the thread. and the rest are arguing about what a race car is. it's only an opinion, but how the hell is a mustang or any other muscle car a race car? if a tc isn't a "race car" then neither is a muscle car. a race car would be a f1 car, or nascar. or a real drag car. i mean, theres a bunch of people getting rowdy over opinions. your opinion is your opinion, i mean they have 9 second civics now. granted with a million dollars worth of mods....but still its a civic. are those race cars? the tc is a car that has a bunch of potential, and is a good platform to make faster. along with that will come rice, oh well, what can you do? with every hard core muscle car guy, theres a hardcore import guy that thinks exactly oposite. the one thing that everyone should keep in mind, is that you should still keep it safe...
Old Aug 13, 2004 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DemonEyez
yeah man go buy a mustang.. cus my tib with just a cai + 250$ exhuuast is faster than those really really fast mustangs..
Who cares?! It's still a Hyundia
Old Aug 13, 2004 | 11:24 PM
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Everyone know you can make and car fast...all you need is $$.
Old Aug 14, 2004 | 12:39 AM
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where exactly would the h-pipe go on a crx?
Old Aug 14, 2004 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DemonEyez
yeah man go buy a mustang.. cus my tib with just a cai + 250$ exhuuast is faster than those really really fast mustangs..
If by really really fast Mustangs you mean stock V6 Mustangs, then yes your Tib with CAI and exhaust could beat it. You would not come close to a stock GT.

Just messing with you, but you might want to define "really really fast". I have a video of an 8-second streetable (and street legal) Mustang.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ren
Originally Posted by DemonEyez
yeah man go buy a mustang.. cus my tib with just a cai + 250$ exhuuast is faster than those really really fast mustangs..
If by really really fast Mustangs you mean stock V6 Mustangs, then yes your Tib with CAI and exhaust could beat it. You would not come close to a stock GT.

Just messing with you, but you might want to define "really really fast". I have a video of an 8-second streetable (and street legal) Mustang.
ehh you speak of what you dont know dumb____. cus i do it alot. : )

bring a stock mustang gt friend of yours to atlanta ga, call me up and i'll beat him.

k thanx.

i just met up with Glenn *smbeysound is his tag on nt.com* with just a mere 75 shot of nitrous i WATCHED him beat a 99 z28 manual on 98west in panama city. they went up to around 110 according to both of them.

so you take 145whp stock on tib.. add the 15 from cai 160whp.. and add 75 due to nitrous Altho its untunted in every way so lets just give him 230whp.. beating a z28 which comes crank at 315..

maybe HP numbers arent everything. maybe gear ratio's.. weight.. has alot to do with it too.

Or ren if you like, buy me a new video camera *lost mine to rain + leaving it outside* and i'll vid tape my encounters with mustangs for you.

just noticed you said messing. messing with what? stock gt = loses. modified with exhaust = sometimes wins. Most mustangs i race just cut off muffler and add diff ones.= no real gain there. but those with full on exhausts its drivers race then.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 06:44 AM
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car and driver posted 15.7 liek stated earlier, and c and d times are almost always 1-3 tenths slower than people see on the track. could be elevation that they run at... i dunno

so well say that since c and d said 15.7 that track times are going to be about 15.5

just bolt ons will give you anywhere from 15-30whp

then the supercharger is going to give anywhere from 40-60hp

even at the low numbers which would be 15+40= 55whp

tC put down 140whp add 55whp and your pushing 195whp or maybe about 220 at the crank

this is going to dip every tC welllllll into the 14's mid 14's in fact.

with all that - a tC will be pushing 20 more crank hp than a type S. type s's put down somewhere between 170-180 whp. the tC comes in with way more torque and a much better power band. well be pusing near 195 torque while type s's are 140 at the crank and 120 at the wheels.


so the speed of a tC should be faster than a type S

ive seen type S run 15.1's stock

tC= 195whp 195 wtq much broader powerband, faster acceleration
rsx t s= 180whp 120 wtq 300 lbs less of a car

when everything gets worked out youll be beating a type S every single time you race them, unless u cant drive.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 06:53 AM
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this is somewhat off topic but i read somewhere that Toyota is discontinuing the Celica and emphasizing the tC as their new sport compact car. Is there any truth behind this?
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Charisma
ROFL, here you go for all you Mustang and Camaro lovers. Mustang... Camaro, fast? I think not, my brothers CRX has smoked MANY, MANY, did I say, MANY Mustangs and Camaro's.

No, not stock, but modded. Exhaust, off road H-Pipes, headers, full intake upgrades. My brothers got a mid to high 11 second CRX and yes it's a daily driver. It breaks a lot due to the wear and tear we put on it at the track but it will smoke pretty much anything you throw at us. So yeah, STFU you mustang and camaro guys, you just got served. :oops:
Your so far off here it isn't even funny. People mentioned the sole fact that a mustang/camaro is a better choice if you want to race. And their right honestly. I have a tC because it's a fantastic value, and a great daily driver. Yes I want a little more power out of it, and will prob get a s/c or turbo, but I dont expect to race it. I had a firebird and THOOSE are built for speed. Sure with enough money any 4/6 cyl car could prob beat one stock, but it would be getting near it's limit, while the camaro/firebirds are still stock. You come across as nothing but an idiot. Any car can be made to go fast, but are you honestly trying to say a CRX is a better car to race then a camaro/firebird? Youd really have to be smoking something.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 04:51 PM
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actually...CRX weigh like nothing and modded plus stripping weight before bringing them to the track means they can fly, ive seen it they are crazy. mustangs are houses with their weight even though they have so much hp and torque they weigh like 3500 easy but mustangs are still fast and can give stuff a run for their money
And crx weigh 2000 ibs thats alot of weight difference stock CRX can run like a 7to 8 something 0-60 the mustang gt pulls about 6's. You throw some stuff on that crx and trust it flies...not that im supporting the crx i hate that car with a passion


By the way yes toyota is pulling the celica and mr-2 spyder from their lines this upcoming year. not enough sales in the past 4 years or so. Plus with the tC out it competition for the celica
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 05:02 PM
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i wotn even go deep into this whole tC not a race car thing lol because its obsurd. if your mad that people are buying the tC's to race then you shouldnt have gotten one. THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE tC's MARKETING is AIMED at YOUNG people wanting a TUNER car. so dont complain. go trade in your car and get a camry.

feel free to go tell GM that they should use ONLY trans ams for there drag cars because the #1 winnign SUNFIRE isnt a race car. its does somethign like high 7 1/4 miles with 200 less hp than all of the other competition in the compact drag bracket.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 05:20 PM
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well, i gotta say, that the power the tc is putting out now is kinda enough for it. it needs a limited slip before it needs any more power. it doesn't really hook up that well. spinning tires baby. i'm gonna get flamed for this one aren't i?



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