INSTALLED - K & N Typhoon Cold Air (56k warning)
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Originally Posted by duston831
whats the difference between a cold air intake and a regular intake? yea ok duh cold air.. but specifially, what does it do
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="tC_Dragon"]And does the diameter of the piping match well the diameter of the throttle body
So how did u manage to fix it???
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Re: auto
Originally Posted by nero tC
3 questions:
1) so about how much HP would this add any ideas?
2) would this benefit an automatic?
3) where did u get it from and how much?
1) so about how much HP would this add any ideas?
2) would this benefit an automatic?
3) where did u get it from and how much?
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34890
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Re: auto
Originally Posted by Harman
Originally Posted by nero tC
3 questions:
1) so about how much HP would this add any ideas?
2) would this benefit an automatic?
3) where did u get it from and how much?
1) so about how much HP would this add any ideas?
2) would this benefit an automatic?
3) where did u get it from and how much?
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34890
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Originally Posted by zac
that is because the celicas as with many other toyotas have a mass air flow sensor, our tC's do not have one which is good for us
i had friends who had problems with celicas and cai's also.
they were very expensive to change and i beleive the mr2 s have the same problem
i had friends who had problems with celicas and cai's also.
they were very expensive to change and i beleive the mr2 s have the same problem
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Originally Posted by reign
Originally Posted by zac
that is because the celicas as with many other toyotas have a mass air flow sensor, our tC's do not have one which is good for us
i had friends who had problems with celicas and cai's also.
they were very expensive to change and i beleive the mr2 s have the same problem
i had friends who had problems with celicas and cai's also.
they were very expensive to change and i beleive the mr2 s have the same problem
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Originally Posted by Silly tC
does your check light in ur dash come on??? and does it sound good??? and will this void warranty
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Your warranty is not voided unless you messed somethign up or if the problem is becaseu of your CAI. If you are going to do mods to your car know the laws because fi something hapens the dealer will try to screw you over. Aftermarket law is posted below.
"Under the Magnusson-Moss Act, aftermarket equipment that improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer's original warranty, unless that warranty clearly states the addition of aftermarket equipment automatically voids the warranty or that the aftermarket device is the direct cause of the failure.
The easiest way to check this is to look in your owner's manual under "What is not covered." Nonetheless, Dealers receive less compensation for warranty work than regular service rates and some have tried to deny warranty service. Under Magnusson-Moss Act a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before they can deny warranty coverage.
If they cannot prove such claim-or proffer a questionable explanation- it is your legal right to demand compliance with the warranty. The Federal Trade Commission (202-326-312
administers the Magnusson-Moss Act and monitors compliance with warranty law."
.....To sum it up. The dealer has to prove that whatever part you put on your car is the reason for the problem to deny you a warranty repair.
To answer the question about the automatic with an intake. You will still have some gains, lets be serious 6HP is not a huge diffference anyway it goes. The biggest incentive for most people to get the CAI or SRI is the sound. If you do that, headers, and exhaust that is full performance benefit. Also, the less restriction you have on your intake and/or exhaust teh better your gas mileage should be(usually not becaue you have the tendancy to rev it more).
CAI vs Short ram = CAI technically should pull cooler air. However, tubing size and length also has an effect on the intakes benefits. For the TC, Weapoon R's SRI looks like it may be pretty good from an engineering stand point and they have mentioned building an "air box" for it to help some of the "heat soak". The AEM will be nice once they patent their charcoal filter and get it stupid CA to approve it, plus there BPV has been proven to work and is the only CAI for this car with one. In short, unless you are racing and planning on doing heavy mods you aren't going to notice a difference between the 2 and if thats the case buy which ever you like the most looks wise and how remember how long of a wait it may be (Dealer told me saturday that AEM would be around another 4 months).
The mass air problem some people have are user errors typically. On my other group one person had that problem and scion covered it under warranty. He installed it and messed up somehow when doing it. Problem diagnosed as a broken mass air sensor.
"Under the Magnusson-Moss Act, aftermarket equipment that improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer's original warranty, unless that warranty clearly states the addition of aftermarket equipment automatically voids the warranty or that the aftermarket device is the direct cause of the failure.
The easiest way to check this is to look in your owner's manual under "What is not covered." Nonetheless, Dealers receive less compensation for warranty work than regular service rates and some have tried to deny warranty service. Under Magnusson-Moss Act a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before they can deny warranty coverage.
If they cannot prove such claim-or proffer a questionable explanation- it is your legal right to demand compliance with the warranty. The Federal Trade Commission (202-326-312
administers the Magnusson-Moss Act and monitors compliance with warranty law." .....To sum it up. The dealer has to prove that whatever part you put on your car is the reason for the problem to deny you a warranty repair.
To answer the question about the automatic with an intake. You will still have some gains, lets be serious 6HP is not a huge diffference anyway it goes. The biggest incentive for most people to get the CAI or SRI is the sound. If you do that, headers, and exhaust that is full performance benefit. Also, the less restriction you have on your intake and/or exhaust teh better your gas mileage should be(usually not becaue you have the tendancy to rev it more).
CAI vs Short ram = CAI technically should pull cooler air. However, tubing size and length also has an effect on the intakes benefits. For the TC, Weapoon R's SRI looks like it may be pretty good from an engineering stand point and they have mentioned building an "air box" for it to help some of the "heat soak". The AEM will be nice once they patent their charcoal filter and get it stupid CA to approve it, plus there BPV has been proven to work and is the only CAI for this car with one. In short, unless you are racing and planning on doing heavy mods you aren't going to notice a difference between the 2 and if thats the case buy which ever you like the most looks wise and how remember how long of a wait it may be (Dealer told me saturday that AEM would be around another 4 months).
The mass air problem some people have are user errors typically. On my other group one person had that problem and scion covered it under warranty. He installed it and messed up somehow when doing it. Problem diagnosed as a broken mass air sensor.
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Ok folks, quick question on the CAI. How hard is it to remove the filter and clean. That is my biggest concern. Reason, on my wifes bmw 328 ci, maintainance on that thing is a big P.I.T.A! You literally have to remove the left front headlight to get to the filter to clean. Just wondering if you have to do the same or anything remotely like that to get to the filter. (Its one of the reasons why I havent bought the CAI for the bimmer, or for the tC)
Your replys will be appreciated...educate me
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Your replys will be appreciated...educate me
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Originally Posted by Xman
Ok folks, quick question on the CAI. How hard is it to remove the filter and clean. That is my biggest concern. Reason, on my wifes bmw 328 ci, maintainance on that thing is a big P.I.T.A! You literally have to remove the left front headlight to get to the filter to clean. Just wondering if you have to do the same or anything remotely like that to get to the filter. (Its one of the reasons why I havent bought the CAI for the bimmer, or for the tC)
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Oh and has your Pinnacle jar been opened yet?
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Originally Posted by slikctc
Your warranty is not voided unless you messed somethign up or if the problem is becaseu of your CAI. If you are going to do mods to your car know the laws because fi something hapens the dealer will try to screw you over. Aftermarket law is posted below.
"Under the Magnusson-Moss Act, aftermarket equipment that improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer's original warranty, unless that warranty clearly states the addition of aftermarket equipment automatically voids the warranty or that the aftermarket device is the direct cause of the failure.
The easiest way to check this is to look in your owner's manual under "What is not covered." Nonetheless, Dealers receive less compensation for warranty work than regular service rates and some have tried to deny warranty service. Under Magnusson-Moss Act a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before they can deny warranty coverage.
If they cannot prove such claim-or proffer a questionable explanation- it is your legal right to demand compliance with the warranty. The Federal Trade Commission (202-326-312 administers the Magnusson-Moss Act and monitors compliance with warranty law."
.....To sum it up. The dealer has to prove that whatever part you put on your car is the reason for the problem to deny you a warranty repair.
To answer the question about the automatic with an intake. You will still have some gains, lets be serious 6HP is not a huge diffference anyway it goes. The biggest incentive for most people to get the CAI or SRI is the sound. If you do that, headers, and exhaust that is full performance benefit. Also, the less restriction you have on your intake and/or exhaust teh better your gas mileage should be(usually not becaue you have the tendancy to rev it more).
CAI vs Short ram = CAI technically should pull cooler air. However, tubing size and length also has an effect on the intakes benefits. For the TC, Weapoon R's SRI looks like it may be pretty good from an engineering stand point and they have mentioned building an "air box" for it to help some of the "heat soak". The AEM will be nice once they patent their charcoal filter and get it stupid CA to approve it, plus there BPV has been proven to work and is the only CAI for this car with one. In short, unless you are racing and planning on doing heavy mods you aren't going to notice a difference between the 2 and if thats the case buy which ever you like the most looks wise and how remember how long of a wait it may be (Dealer told me saturday that AEM would be around another 4 months).
The mass air problem some people have are user errors typically. On my other group one person had that problem and scion covered it under warranty. He installed it and messed up somehow when doing it. Problem diagnosed as a broken mass air sensor.
"Under the Magnusson-Moss Act, aftermarket equipment that improves performance does not void a vehicle manufacturer's original warranty, unless that warranty clearly states the addition of aftermarket equipment automatically voids the warranty or that the aftermarket device is the direct cause of the failure.
The easiest way to check this is to look in your owner's manual under "What is not covered." Nonetheless, Dealers receive less compensation for warranty work than regular service rates and some have tried to deny warranty service. Under Magnusson-Moss Act a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before they can deny warranty coverage.
If they cannot prove such claim-or proffer a questionable explanation- it is your legal right to demand compliance with the warranty. The Federal Trade Commission (202-326-312
administers the Magnusson-Moss Act and monitors compliance with warranty law." .....To sum it up. The dealer has to prove that whatever part you put on your car is the reason for the problem to deny you a warranty repair.
To answer the question about the automatic with an intake. You will still have some gains, lets be serious 6HP is not a huge diffference anyway it goes. The biggest incentive for most people to get the CAI or SRI is the sound. If you do that, headers, and exhaust that is full performance benefit. Also, the less restriction you have on your intake and/or exhaust teh better your gas mileage should be(usually not becaue you have the tendancy to rev it more).
CAI vs Short ram = CAI technically should pull cooler air. However, tubing size and length also has an effect on the intakes benefits. For the TC, Weapoon R's SRI looks like it may be pretty good from an engineering stand point and they have mentioned building an "air box" for it to help some of the "heat soak". The AEM will be nice once they patent their charcoal filter and get it stupid CA to approve it, plus there BPV has been proven to work and is the only CAI for this car with one. In short, unless you are racing and planning on doing heavy mods you aren't going to notice a difference between the 2 and if thats the case buy which ever you like the most looks wise and how remember how long of a wait it may be (Dealer told me saturday that AEM would be around another 4 months).
The mass air problem some people have are user errors typically. On my other group one person had that problem and scion covered it under warranty. He installed it and messed up somehow when doing it. Problem diagnosed as a broken mass air sensor.
basically a CAI or short ram is pointless (even more for auto's) unless you are going for looks or sound. you would have to get a CAI, header, exhaust, etc. to see any type of decent power gain? is that right?
if this is true it doesn't look like i'll be spending any money on any power performance mods on my tC.
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Warranty Issues and the Magnusson-Moss Act
While what has been said on this thread about the Magnusson-Moss Act is somewhat true, it's not entirely accurate. Also, it's pretty much academic because in the event you do have an engine problem, good luck proving that it's not a result of your aftermarket modifications.
See this post: http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/in...t=0&#entry6743
I'd like to see someone come up with a foolproof way to show that they have not "overloaded" under the meaning of the statute.
See this post: http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/in...t=0&#entry6743
I'd like to see someone come up with a foolproof way to show that they have not "overloaded" under the meaning of the statute.
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