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Old Aug 5, 2007 | 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Complication
if this comes round to be anywhere near accurate it would be one of the smartest moves any auto company has made in years.

( lightweight+Rear Wheel Drive=success for toyota)
Yeah, but smart for who I guess...?

Honestly, it would be one of the best things. It creates a 'new' market for the auto industry (ultra-affordable rear-wheel drive), and obviously a lot of the sales would be generated from sports-compact enthusiasts.
Old Aug 5, 2007 | 03:54 AM
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y bother with a 120hp rear wheel drive. might as well make it fwd and add 39 horses wow nvm under 1000kgs? thats prolly gonna fly for that lil horses
Old Aug 5, 2007 | 04:21 AM
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I would not buy it for under 20K looking like that. I probably wouldn't buy it anyways. I'm set with the original I don't like the futuristic cars.

I mean if its only 13K. Where the F does allot of that money goes. You thinkk workers are going to work cheap? Are the brains behind this car only going to accept a few hundred Gs? If its 13k et least 4 K of each car maybe goes to workers and the idea and company. That leaves 9 to build the car. I wouldn't trust a 9K car.

It looks way too euro.
Old Aug 5, 2007 | 05:11 AM
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2 things:
1. I don't know why they don't choose the new 1.8 from the xD for that platform.
2. Toyota has a new project going around about making also the most affordable car in the world, by selling it at under 9k. That's what I saw in the news about a year ago. But I really don't remember anything else.

I would all over this car if it comes out. With a 18.3 lbs/hp ratio. Much better than the 18.1 lb/hp ratio of the tC. I just hope they keep it simple and add the option for a factory LSD. Maybe keep the drive-by-wire out of the story also.
Old Aug 5, 2007 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by soros151
2 things:
1. I don't know why they don't choose the new 1.8 from the xD for that platform.
2. Toyota has a new project going around about making also the most affordable car in the world, by selling it at under 9k. That's what I saw in the news about a year ago. But I really don't remember anything else.

I would all over this car if it comes out. With a 18.3 lbs/hp ratio. Much better than the 18.1 lb/hp ratio of the tC. I just hope they keep it simple and add the option for a factory LSD. Maybe keep the drive-by-wire out of the story also.
Exactly, keep it simple. That's how they'll cut the cost down (probably choosing a smaller engine would helps that cost, too; 1.5v1..

I saw that 9k car on Top Gear a while back, and it was a fun little thing. Nothing grand, obviously, but they're smart in the construction of it. How? The hatch for instance was entirely glass and no body-panel, so that cuts some production off right there.
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RWD huh?? is anyone else thinking, 3sgte swap ftmfw!!
Old Aug 5, 2007 | 12:20 PM
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I never understood what "ftw" means....
Old Aug 5, 2007 | 12:40 PM
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i hope they are gonna rename it other then tC
Old Aug 5, 2007 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by soros151
I never understood what "ftw" means....
FTW = For The Win

Yeah, it's like LOL, ROFL, etc.
Old Aug 5, 2007 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by brett561tc
RWD huh?? is anyone else thinking, 3sgte swap ftmfw!!
this is toyota_kitten posting: too lazy to log off and back in

no i was thinking more 2JZGTE swap... 3SGTE is a great engine, but of all the swaps to do, 3SGTE seems to be the most headache for less Horsepower.

if your are gonna go through the headache, go for 2J - b/c those get huge amounst of horsepower the more you put on them. it can fit. if my friend can fit a 2J in a FD3S... then you can easily fit a 2J in the new RWD if its that size pictured.

don't get me wrong i love the 3SGTE! i want to put on in my other car, but the headche to do it is nuts, and a 2J does not fit in my tiny engine bay. =(

i'm excited to see the new RWD car - its about time toyota came out with them again...i just hoep people take soem autocross classes b4 they go crazy and kill themselves.
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What models have the 2JZGTE engine?
Old Aug 5, 2007 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mad-sciontist
Originally Posted by brett561tc
RWD huh?? is anyone else thinking, 3sgte swap ftmfw!!
this is toyota_kitten posting: too lazy to log off and back in

no i was thinking more 2JZGTE swap... 3SGTE is a great engine, but of all the swaps to do, 3SGTE seems to be the most headache for less Horsepower.

if your are gonna go through the headache, go for 2J - b/c those get huge amounst of horsepower the more you put on them. it can fit. if my friend can fit a 2J in a FD3S... then you can easily fit a 2J in the new RWD if its that size pictured.

don't get me wrong i love the 3SGTE! i want to put on in my other car, but the headche to do it is nuts, and a 2J does not fit in my tiny engine bay. =(

i'm excited to see the new RWD car - its about time toyota came out with them again...i just hoep people take soem autocross classes b4 they go crazy and kill themselves.
im gonna have to respectfuly dissagree with you on this one. im assuming that an fd3s is a cool jdm way of saying rx-7, wich has a huge engine bay. i dont think that this car would have that kind of room. the 3sgte would go in alot smother. as far as not enough power, here is an article about topsecrets gt300 supra. powered by a 3sgte making 720hp, it pushed a heavy a$$ supra to around 200mph.

http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/articles/hpi15_1.htm
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I agree I hope this car does not take the tC name. That would be an insult. The HP on this concept is about the same as a Chevy Cavalier. I would not buy any car with HP under 150 - 160.
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Originally Posted by Delta
I agree I hope this car does not take the tC name. That would be an insult. The HP on this concept is about the same as a Chevy Cavalier. I would not buy any car with HP under 150 - 160.
Even if it weighed 1000 kgs?
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Seriously, so many people don't understand the whole weight and power relationship...

Kids, leave the technical stuff to us.
Old Aug 6, 2007 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GarmaZed
Seriously, so many people don't understand the whole weight and power relationship...

Kids, leave the technical stuff to us.
and to think we both have 21 years.
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____ I'm 19.. it doesn't take a genius to be able to divide total weight of a car, by the horsepower, to see in relativity, how much horsepower / lbs. each car makes. I even did the math earlier for people and they're still saying they think it's slow.

It's all speculation anyway.
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Originally Posted by Cyrus_tC
poop I'm 19.. it doesn't take a genius to be able to divide total weight of a car, by the horsepower, to see in relativity, how much horsepower / lbs. each car makes. I even did the math earlier for people and they're still saying they think it's slow.

It's all speculation anyway.
Just forget it.
Old Aug 6, 2007 | 04:07 PM
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i think it looks pretty sexy
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Originally Posted by soros151
2 things:
1. I don't know why they don't choose the new 1.8 from the xD for that platform.
2. Toyota has a new project going around about making also the most affordable car in the world, by selling it at under 9k. That's what I saw in the news about a year ago. But I really don't remember anything else.

I would all over this car if it comes out. With a 18.3 lbs/hp ratio. Much better than the 18.1 lb/hp ratio of the tC. I just hope they keep it simple and add the option for a factory LSD. Maybe keep the drive-by-wire out of the story also.
They probably want to save money. It's easier to find an existing RWD drivertrain than to convert an FWD one like that of the xD to RWD configuration. I believe Subaru has some available.

Drive-by-wire will probably stay. As will power steering, and the car will gain weight if Toyota exports them to the US. Safety requirements and such.

120hp in 2200 lbs is pretty good. Anymore power and you'd have kids killing themselves because of too much power and not enough driving discipline.

Imagine a low cost, light-weight RWD car that so many people want made. Now Toyota(maker of the Camry-brand mobile couch), of all car companies, is thinking about it. Good for them.



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